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04-03-2017 , 03:21 AM
Optics is your friend too;




Surviving in an island as well



What you need to understand about me here is that i do not give myself a big chance when i say 30-50% because i am a realist, kidding and epic fanfare aside, but it is my job to try to make this as high as possible and you have to admit when you take the hard task always in life something good wins. If you simply reject the chance you will never learn all that it takes to increase it. It also makes us all appreciate more all that we have and take for granted.

The benefit is what one can do in a real crisis where in principle you will be discovered eventually and never have to last a year or anything like that.


Evaporation is your friend too if you happen to have at least some leftovers of civilization;



In principle you can have lots of dirty water placed in some properly selected natural container type stone or other caved object and then heat it on fire and have it condense on some leaves that cover it above or something so that you pick up the clean water that way.

Last edited by masque de Z; 04-03-2017 at 03:42 AM.
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04-03-2017 , 08:06 AM
Why not make a video of yourself making a fire? Show us your outdoorsy skills.
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04-03-2017 , 11:23 AM
I'd say already the mental training masque is doing here makes him more fit to meet post-Armageddon. Just digging up those videos helps. You come to think about things. Very much better than nothing, but not yet the real deal.
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04-04-2017 , 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Why not make a video of yourself making a fire? Show us your outdoorsy skills.
Ok if you want to pay me $200 to take a break for one day and go outdoors and give it a try i promise i will search for a safe place that i wont get in trouble for trying to start a fire and go for it. I may try some backyard but i prefer to try it up there in alpine environment like Tahoe. If i get the time i will try to use the water lens method and test it locally. If not then it will have to wait until i get the time to go outdoors willing to waste hours just to prove a point and do it right like this guy next.

Starting fire is not trivial but its not entirely difficult if you have many hours and approach the problem properly gathering all you need like the proper tinder and well selected wood pieces to rotate against each other and create conditions for burning from friction. Once you get something smoking its a matter of patience and time to take it to the fire level. Keep providing oxygen to it and more heat with friction if it fails until you get there.







This is why Physics is your best friend in all this. Pure moment of inertia and torsion torque games.

Because you eventually need a reliable permanent way to start fire after blistering the hell out of your hands the first time.

The point is people fail in life mostly because they lack patience. I could personally have succeeded in many things in my past if i had even more patience.

You do not need fire right away. You need to protect yourself from cold first in other ways. You need water mostly. After that you have enough time all day to do the above gradually and experiment. Endless hours with nothing to do to build your self esteem and give you a sense of purpose in a situation that all appears to be lost. And then the recovery starts. So take your time and start it right. If you can have access to water then you can get the rest because it's ok to starve for a few days until you get it right.

This guy and his series is a big hit apparently. The hit is really all about the optimism in human nature. It has nothing to do with surviving in wild nature. This is just the example. It has everything to do with surviving anywhere, never giving up and marching forward with confidence. It has everything to do with refusing to accept that all is lost. Because all inside your brain will never be lost!

The seemingly cliche movie line wins again; " What a man can do another can do!". This is what it means to be human.


As for the thread. Try to save all involved in the trolley problem. Maybe that too is possible.
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04-04-2017 , 07:36 AM
Tell ya what, I'll ship $20 to the charity of your choice if you can make a video of yourself starting a fire with an ordinary plastic bag and the sun.
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04-04-2017 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
And the other way around: with the trolley heading for killing the child? Do you think people in general would switch to kill the two adults? I think most wouldn't, including me. You need to choose the least bad of the alternatives. Passivity is paradoxically often the better alternative, within some borders of course. That's why murder is punished harder than neglect leading to death.

In real life there is always present an uncertainty not present in problems like this. Intention is crucial then, because it "focuses evil" (sorry for that expression)
This was not part of the question. It is assumed that you give no extra points for passivity. Easiest way to do this is to postulate that they all die if you don't make the choice.
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04-05-2017 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
This was not part of the question. It is assumed that you give no extra points for passivity. Easiest way to do this is to postulate that they all die if you don't make the choice.
Then you pick whoever you would feel more compassion for. Following that you invent a bs rationale as to why your choice is the correct one and pretend that it has something to do with your choice.
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04-05-2017 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Tell ya what, I'll ship $20 to the charity of your choice if you can make a video of yourself starting a fire with an ordinary plastic bag and the sun.
Easy game. Find someone who has some matches but wants a plastic bag.
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04-05-2017 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
This was not part of the question. It is assumed that you give no extra points for passivity. Easiest way to do this is to postulate that they all die if you don't make the choice.
David,
Far be it for me to give advice to the more intelligent, but I think you need to make your scenarios more offensive to reach a wider audience.

"Trolley problem: Two down syndromes vs one normal person", perhaps with an anonymous poll, would up participation and lead to quality/insightful/math-based replies. Perhaps post in OOT also.
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04-05-2017 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
This was not part of the question. It is assumed that you give no extra points for passivity. Easiest way to do this is to postulate that they all die if you don't make the choice.
Then it'll be even easier to save the two, imo. Without being punished for passivity you could hide in a corner full of denial. As you just put it that act alone could kill not one but two. That would be passive-aggressive.

Last edited by plaaynde; 04-05-2017 at 02:38 PM.
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