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Old 05-11-2017, 12:33 AM   #1
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Should welfare recipients be drug tested?

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Old 05-11-2017, 12:59 AM   #2
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Re: Should welfare recipients be drug tested?

No.

Where's the fun in being on welfare if you can't get gacked?
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Old 05-11-2017, 01:59 AM   #3
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Re: Should welfare recipients be drug tested?

Wasn't there a thread about this already?

And, no.
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Old 05-11-2017, 02:31 AM   #4
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Wasn't there a thread about this already?

And, no.
Probably. Can't search on my phone though so just posted this instead.
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Old 05-11-2017, 02:37 AM   #5
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Re: Should welfare recipients be drug tested?

Yes. Managers, board members, etc. of Boeing and corporations in similar circumstances should be routinely and randomly drug tested and all Federal and State subsidies, direct and indirect, special tax breaks etc. should be revoked upon any negative results.
As far as poor people, this type of program has already been tested and so few of the welfare recipients were found to be on drugs that it's not worth the administrative costs.

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Old 05-11-2017, 02:49 AM   #6
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Re: Should welfare recipients be drug tested?

Daily cocaine user and white collar worker says - - them lazy good-for-nothin leeches should get nothin until they're clean.
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Old 05-11-2017, 02:52 AM   #7
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Re: Should welfare recipients be drug tested?

Yes randomly sure plus free mini health check with the test for those that accept it when randomly chosen because its pathetic to get help from the state and use it for drugs when there are people in risk of death from lack of proper nutrition or healthcare or for all kinds of things that little money could buy that is now wasted from the state for someone that uses it to make rich some mfing scumbags that produce and then other that sell illegal drugs and sustain all the chain of unethical people that destroy lives and even kill people (cartels etc).

Get your f*ing priorities straight!


Of course whover needs help to get rid of addiction free assistance and bonus opportunities immediately.
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Old 05-11-2017, 03:19 AM   #8
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Re: Should welfare recipients be drug tested?

Shut up, Masque.
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Old 05-11-2017, 03:38 AM   #9
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Shut up, Masque.
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Old 05-11-2017, 03:47 AM   #10
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Re: Should welfare recipients be drug tested?

Make me. Or better yet, Go ahead, make my day. Trump has made me very war happy. Of course its directed at mfers like him not you but dont push it.


Stop supporting drug culture. Screw that culture by the way, big finger to all of them too. Make them legal ok to control the crap that is going on now (and then live to see the consequences or whatever) but dont use such money for this bs supporting cartel mfers. Welfare money is supposed to be helping you in difficult times, using it wisely and you must never make it part of your income, taking it for granted, if you can work properly (at least not until scientific society has taken over that makes work not needed as much for the basic things of survival). Are we actually having people getting help by drugs here in their time of need or are the drugs taking them away from solving their problems because its just a near term escape from miserable living often worsening things? Since when not dealing with the actual world lead to actual solutions and happiness? WTF are drugs good for seriously? Why would you do anything to mess up the most important thing you "own". I am not talking about well researched legal drugs that actually control well understood mechanisms.

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Old 05-11-2017, 04:14 AM   #11
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Re: Should welfare recipients be drug tested?

They're good for taking life less seriously, if that so happens to be a problem.

If you have a little bit of discipline they can be the irrational to the incessantly rational; the vulnerable to the fear-ridden secure; the creative to the predictable.
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Old 05-11-2017, 04:20 AM   #12
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Give them also 10%-20% bonus benefits and other goodies if they pass the random tests also. Random is effectively rare like once a year and comes with the health benefits i suggested when it happens so that people do not see it as an insulting hostile action. This is not a nanny state in action. Nobody goes to prison or anything. Its a loving state that cares but wants also responsibility. If you get help prove it you are not horsing around with it.
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Old 05-11-2017, 04:25 AM   #13
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I'm not sure how much you know about the drug addicted Masque but a heroin user isn't going to stop heroin to receive welfare. They'll get the heroine by doing other things; things that have always created more problems.

The war on drugs is a war on people. There's no two ways about it. How much longer is this going to go on?
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Old 05-11-2017, 04:25 AM   #14
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They're good for taking life less seriously, if that so happens to be a problem.

If you have a little bit of discipline they can be the irrational to the incessantly rational; the vulnerable to the fear-ridden secure; the creative to the predictable.
But we are not exactly debating using drugs within a level of control that may or may not be there (hence the problem). Personally i do not want to risk it given what is possible (like some bloody addiction path). There are many better ways to alter my mood more innocently. We are debating using illegal drugs to spend your welfare money. People on welfare are in some kind of trouble that brings more depression (or even stems from it) and getting drugs will lead to ignoring the problem and living for the drug moments. That is not leading to anything useful typically, probably the opposite.
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Old 05-11-2017, 04:31 AM   #15
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I'm not sure how much you know about the drug addicted Masque but a heroin user isn't going to stop heroin to receive welfare. They'll get the heroine by doing other things; things that have always created more problems.

The war on drugs is a war on people. There's no two ways about it. How much longer is this going to go on?
I recognize the problem that one may be an addict and still need welfare to turn their life around. This is not the situation i have in mind. Those in trouble will get the help they need and detox while getting welfare too inside that program, gradually reducing their usage and cleaning their system. Then they will simply need to be responsible about it. They may need life long help too because of risk of returning to drug usage.

I am just not going to sit and do nothing while people that can be improved waste their lives and also money that could be used better. So make it more difficult to get into the endless depression addiction spiral and stay there.
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Old 05-11-2017, 04:45 AM   #16
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Re: Should welfare recipients be drug tested?

What about alcohol/tobacco dependency? Isn't this a far greater waste of tax payer money than illegal drugs? Would it be higher EV to test welfare recipients for alcohol?
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Old 05-11-2017, 04:58 AM   #17
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Personally i do not want to risk it given what is possible (like some bloody addiction path). There are many better ways to alter my mood more innocently.
Now for a difficult question.

Does it upset you that you have more faith in what you read somewhere about how easily people can get addicted (inferential knowledge) than you do in your self and your inner knowledge of the strength of your discipline (direct knowledge)?

It would upset me.
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Old 05-11-2017, 05:04 AM   #18
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Re: Should welfare recipients be drug tested?

I am willing to accept in faith the documentaries and other TV programs and books i have seen before. I do the same for radiation from nuclear waste lol! I havent calculated totally on my own the radiation from all isotopes in a reactor or trying to see the impact in my body for a few minutes. I have however done it in other cases etc including the dating of our solar system's elements.

Risking a possibility i have an addiction problem is not worth the knowledge of being able to control it (as if we even control anything free will etc lol). I simply apply common sense here.

How do i know that i will be able to stop? For example i cannot control my addiction to math and science. I become depressed if forced to live without it in my life in some daily manner of activity. But i do also know that i compromise my brain even a little bit per usage so why go for it at all? Seems i stand to gain little to nothing vs the risk taking.

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Old 05-11-2017, 12:41 PM   #19
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Give them also 10%-20% bonus benefits and other goodies if they pass the random tests also. Random is effectively rare like once a year and comes with the health benefits i suggested when it happens so that people do not see it as an insulting hostile action. This is not a nanny state in action. Nobody goes to prison or anything. Its a loving state that cares but wants also responsibility. If you get help prove it you are not horsing around with it.
Should people have to pass a drug test to receive SS benefits? How about a library card?
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Old 05-11-2017, 06:22 PM   #20
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Re: Should welfare recipients be drug tested?

Everyone, or almost everyone, gets randomly drug tested here anyway. I've seen cops with sniffer dogs sniffing commuters for drugs at Victoria and Clapham Junction stations. It's like something out of East Germany. Sometimes they have TV shows with cops cruising round places like Liverpool 8 trying to find the drugs, like drugs are difficult to find.
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Old 05-11-2017, 10:15 PM   #21
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Re: Should welfare recipients be drug tested?

What specifically is wrong with masque's idea of paying welfare recipients to pass drug tests?

You'd get a basic small amount of assistance regardless, just enough to survive on. If you want more, you do a drug test. If you want more again, there can be other programs - volunteering, public garden or rubbish cleanup work, etc, that give you a little bit more again. Not as much as a job, but better than basic welfare.

Incentivizing positive behavior seems like a pretty reasonable thing to do. People get lazy and stuck when they can sit on their ass and receive a paycheck without doing anything for it. What's wrong with waving a carrot for acting in a way that has social and personal benefits for them. Reward is esteem building as well, something the poor and desperate are in need of.
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Old 05-11-2017, 10:15 PM   #22
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A more interesting question is: Should welfare recipients (adult household members) be sterilized? The program could have qualifications and incentives. Say the household shall have been on welfare for more than two years to qualify. The incentive could be a special credit card for extra food that would also included a stipend for alcohol and tobacco products and weed in states where it is legal. An extra incentive for those that want sterilized earlier would be an all expenses paid one week frolic at Disney World or Disney Land or Seven Flags or Las Vegas, etc.

The money saved and general societal benefit in the long run by removing these losers from the gene pool is probably incalculable. In addition, Green Groups that are in an hysteria about Global Warming should get behind this in a big way to help reduce the population and should kick in some extra incentives.
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Zeno 2020?
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Old 05-11-2017, 10:39 PM   #24
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Re: Should welfare recipients be drug tested?

Better yet, you could replace that Merkel clown and show Germany some tough love.
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Old 05-11-2017, 10:41 PM   #25
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They're good for taking life less seriously, if that so happens to be a problem.

If you have a little bit of discipline they can be the irrational to the incessantly rational; the vulnerable to the fear-ridden secure; the creative to the predictable.
Can this seriousness reset be achieved without drugs?

Do you think drugs, overall, improve the human condition?
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