Do we desire sex because it is forbidden or do we desire forbidden things because sex is forbidden?

Our libido is our driving force. However, when our libido is high, in a society that forbids you to have sex, then you are far more likely to be drawn to attach your libido to things that are forbidden.

For example, you are trying to drive to Disney Land, but on the way there, your car breaks down and you try to look for shelter in a farm nearby. A man by the name Stalin let's you inside his farm. He has a daughter named Snow White. He tells you, that you can do anything you want, except 2 things:
1: have sex with his daughter
2: put fire to his liquor because of the danger it can bring to his farm

So now, as you are there for over a month, your libido has skyrocketed. And every day, there is this beautiful Snow White amply dressed in front of you. However, it is forbidden to have sex with her. Due to fear of being thrown out of the farm in the middle of nowhere, you decide to repress your sexual desires. However, these sexual desires, will now seek expression in different forms, and since their original expression was forbidden, they seek for forbidden ways to be expressed. Like putting fire to the Stalin's liquor.

One day, you say, the hell with it, you punch Stalin to the floor, you put fire to his liquor, burn his entire farm and take his daughter to Disney Land with you.


My scientific question: Did you crave to put fire to Stalin's liquor because it was forbidden to have sex with Snow White? Or did you crave to have sex with Snow White because Stalin forbade it?

I'm going to wait for Masque's take on this one.

Usually gay haters have repressed desires.

It's fun when you say it to them as they immediately notice it's true but keep asking if it's true as they are in denial.

I think the church said being gay is a sin for the same reason as they said that search for profit was a sin, monopoly.

"You can't have money, land, knowledge or be gay, unless you become my bitch!"

Mr.Horse? Snow White?

Nice!

Simple, charm Stalin and Snow White to death but get them to play each other against their insecurities, and get Snow White to rebel against her father with her own "free" will (but do not ethically corrupt her, only liberate her desires responsibly if of proper age) . Do not burn anything but get Stalin drank and run to the Disneyland with Snow White. But for $@#$ sake use some protection %@$ damn it!

Repressing sex by the way only makes porn industry into a giant monster and eventually revolutionizes society to a state that it actually likes sex but in an ethically and scientifically responsible manner that even enhances the experience.

Why wait a month?

For goodness sake don't burn the liquor...DRINK the liquor then you won't care about any of it.

Good question.

The 2 million men or so who live in India and have never had sex (there was a recent study) must be plotting the end of the world.

In large, I'd say the answer to the question would depend on testosterone levels of each individual making that choice. Some can feel less repressed than others.

Only 2 paragraphs?

seemed most appropriate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdbGCfa8qkg

None of the answers were related to the scientific question.

That's because there was no scientific question.

+1 thread title is misleading as well.

Maybe there's a reasonable question buried somewhere in the OP. Why don't people just copulate in the street, like animals at Woodstock? Where's the problem with that?

You craved sex with Snow White because she was hot and "amply dressed." There has been much scientific research into the phenomena of sexual desire. I have performed much of it. Had Snow White been fugly or you were gay, your sexual desire would have diminished substantially. That she was forbidden fruit likely had a much smaller, probably insignificant role in shaping your desire compared with those other factors.

I doubt you craved setting fire to Stalin's liquor very much, unless you were some sort of sicko.

I am talking about something far more deeper. But the sun is out, bye for now.

No. You don't desire a chicken sandwich because stealing chicken sandwiches is forbidden. You desire a chicken sandwich because it is tasty. You just aren't allowed to steal one.

He answered your question point blank?

Any way in my unscientific opinion it would seem that desire would be linked closely with the pleasure center of our brains.

We desire that which gives us pleasure (in this case Snow White). It's a survival mechanism developed through evolution. You are rewarded with pleasure for performing things that keep you or the species alive (food, sex, etc). It really doesn't matter what the stimulus is, though, as long as it motivates your brain to release pleasure inducing chemicals.

As far as the denial of pleasure increasing it's satisfaction I would imagine that is purely psychological. I doubt more pleasure inducing chemicals are released as a result of denying yourself something, but the effects of the chemicals may be more pronounced to your concious mind having been denied for so long.

I think there is some evidence to support the viewpoint of psychological vs physiological addiction in some of the cognitive behavior treatments that are now becoming popular for sex addiction, electronics addiction, etc.

I searched "electronics addiction" and got the following, which I assume is what you mean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...ction_disorder

This internet addiction thing is probably not a true addiction (we all have it in a way) for as many as it might appear to have it. It can be stopped i mean on demand if higher motivating priorities emerge, unlike a true addiction, although addicts will claim so anyway in both cases.

But it is likely the transition of our society into a super intelligence state of permanent information processing in order to follow the world (trans-human state) which is impossible in stupid daily life basic work/interpersonal functions that information flow is so much less impressive because time is wasted in ridiculous uninspiring things such as how you look, what you wear and how you behave to others to be accepted and not targeted and have your ideas completely ignored etc. Only on the internet your brain can be truly liberated as a thinker and a true nature is revealed (in the way we are integrated with our computers too).

Additionally imagine even a single browser that you have opened 10 windows with 10 tabs in each and suddenly you can have in it anything from things you study, research (of many topics), news (of many different topics also), sports, entertainment and even trading/buying, communicating with multiple people in remote places etc all these activities as an extension of your mind. We are becoming AI ourselves even before the real thing came alive!


But at the same time also allow yourself every month 1 day (or more) to not use at all any technology (or wait for the lucky power blackout/outage to see what i mean - hopefully not during nighttime and resist using laptops then). Possibly go out to nature away from civilization just to think and notice how it feels and how you may even experience a new way to see the world, born out of some precious peace, stolen out of the eternal flow of technology that permeates all of our lives, often adding up to pure noise and undermining true clarity!

Of course turning off TV and computes and reading good books has a similar positive effect too.

I would guess it's more prevalent in those who have grown up with it. Try getting a mobile phone off a school kid in a maths lesson. In their case, physiological rather than psychological addiction might begin to make sense.

I can't live without my iphone. I can't find my way around the city I've lived for the past 15 years, I can't remember phone numbers, I need to be able to google anything anytime, check email, scores, listen to music, use any number of apps that do any number of things. Do something with myself when I'm not doing anything else with myself, like type this message. I wouldn't say I'm addicted though.