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Old 05-13-2017, 04:21 PM   #201
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lol dude, just lol. We've found out nothing of the sort. You're devolved to straight up lying now??

Homosexuality is like many other states and disorders: it has some evidence of potential genetic susceptibilities, and extremely strong evidence of environmental influences. Environmental effects are by far the strongest; the small concordance rates between identical twins - below 10% - proves that.


OK, so you're flat out lying. Or else extremely ignorant of the research.
Phenotype is NEVER 100% in concordance with genotype. Everyone already knows this.

You also cherry-picked a study. This is odd behavior for a praxeologist, especially one who believes additionally that research isn't to be trusted.
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Old 05-13-2017, 04:23 PM   #202
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Phenotype is NEVER 100% in concordance with genotype. Everyone already knows this.
Never 100% = 7%. Do you think you're being genuine here?

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You also cherry-picked a study. This is odd behavior for a praxeologist, especially one who believes additionally that research isn't to be trusted.
I cherry picked two studies, that happened to be the largest. They are sufficient to prove your "genes caused homosexuality" claims false. The totality of the research is also clear - homosexuality is mostly environmental. The gay lobby is desperately trying to push another narrative as a public meme - that you're born gay and that life experiences or social attitude have zero effect - and they've succeeded in pushing this meme to some extent. But it's totally at odds with science. And since this is SMP...
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Old 05-13-2017, 04:34 PM   #203
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Source?
Like I said, hard to find good sources. It's not something people like to either research or admit, unless you're in Denmark where they have (legal) animal brothels - in the US it's highly illegal, to the point of people trying to poison their roommate after being caught ****ing the dog.

Numbers come in from 4% to 15%, depending on study. But again, the research is poor. Like I said, it's something we simply don't know for sure. Going on pure numbers, more people have had sexual contact with animals than are pure gay.
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Old 05-13-2017, 04:35 PM   #204
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Also, 2p2 arguments are really bad for my browser/google history.
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Old 05-13-2017, 04:46 PM   #205
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Never 100% = 7%. Do you think you're being genuine here?
You might want to look actually read the Bearman and Bruckner study. In particular, look at the sample sizes. I'm gonna call BS on a study that concludes much when it has a grand total of 26 people who admit during adolescence that they have some attraction to the same sex as its sample of monozygotic twins.
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Old 05-13-2017, 04:57 PM   #206
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Going on pure numbers, more people have had sexual contact with animals than are pure gay.
Source of those pure numbers?

I grew up on the countryside and never heard of bestiality cases; in an environment where there's a lot of opportunity, and people also talk a lot. I learned of people's darkest family secrets there. When I moved to the city there where gays left and right.
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Old 05-13-2017, 05:02 PM   #207
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God did it.
...the genes or the fried eggs?
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Old 05-13-2017, 05:30 PM   #208
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...the genes or the fried eggs?
Obviously both. A half-assed god is no God.
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Old 05-13-2017, 05:47 PM   #209
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Source of those pure numbers?

I grew up on the countryside and never heard of bestiality cases; in an environment where there's a lot of opportunity, and people also talk a lot. I learned of people's darkest family secrets there. When I moved to the city there where gays left and right.
It's obviously extremely hidden. Getting caught is the end of all social standing. How many gay people do you think your average Muslim bigot knows, in any of the many Muslims countries where homosexuality means total shunning and even death? I'm gonna guess zero.

This is a very good overview of the prevalence. Highlights:

The 2+2 of bestiality has these registration numbers:
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The largest such site, BeastForum, claims over 1.2 million registered members at the time of writing as well as more than that number again in unregistered visitors. The forum has boards where members can share tips on getting their animals to participate as well as post pictures and videos of their sexual experiences with the animals.
Which is pretty incredible.

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The study, which took place in Brazil and was published in the Journal of Sexual Medicine, found a 34% prevalence of bestiality amongst men, most of whom were from rural backgrounds, as well as determining that it was a risk factor for penile cancer.
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Writing in the 1940’s, famed sexual researcher Alfred Kinsey estimated that 8% of men and 3.6% of women had engaged in some sort of sexual act with an animal.

However, these figures were disputed in academia due to the fact that an unreasonably high proportion of the subjects in Kinsey's widely-cited study were prisoners. Also, a later study in 1974 by Morton M Hunt put the prevalence of men and women having intimate relations with animals at 4.9% and 1.9% respectively.
Then there's this hilarious anecdote, showing the gay rights lobby has opened the barn door on "lifestyle" claims, despite how they mocked the slipper slope argument:

Bestiality brothels are 'spreading through Germany' warns campaigner as abusers turn to sex with animals as 'lifestyle choice'
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She highlighted one case where a farmer in the Gross-Gerau region of southwest Germany, noticed his once friendly flock of sheep were beginning to shy away from human contact.

So he rigged a CCTV camera in the rafters of his barn to discover multiple men sneaking in during the night to sexually abuse his beloved livestock.
Now, Germans are ****ing weirdos - there are towns where they'll put on public displays of having sex with their pigs - but it still gives you an idea of what goes on behind closed doors. If you grew up in a rural area, I am certain that some of your childhood friend have been with animals.

So I don't think it's established, at all, that homosexuality (~3% of the population) is more prevalent than bestiality. Bestiality is still deep in the closet thanks to widespread bigotry. There's been no besti lobby - yet, but the gay rights nuttery has opened the door.

Regardless, it might give you a bit of an insight into sexual choice and fluidity.
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Old 05-13-2017, 06:09 PM   #210
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I know of no German town where they put on public displays of having sex with their pigs lol. What's your point with all this bestiality thing anyway. I don't think those people really fall in love with these animals, and move in together and stuff.
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Old 05-13-2017, 11:41 PM   #211
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Granted, I don't live in Germany anymore, but I'd take any bet that's 100% made up BS. That's a +EV bet on anything that is written in the dailymail anyways
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Old 05-14-2017, 05:10 PM   #212
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I believe this to be a false statement. Bestiality is hard to research, but what we do have indicates prevalence around the same rate as homosexuality. And a lot of that is lack of opportunity. People who live around animals have far higher rates of bestiality than homosexuality.
Pretty sure people ****ed farm animals back in the day just because they were more convenient/less risky than women. Multiple conversations with different olds who were goat****ers in their youth seemed to back this up. It's just what boys did. I don't think they even had what would reasonably qualify as a paraphilia- all of them got married and had kids and I don't think they were drilling goats at or after that point.
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If you call this comorbidity, the appropriate medical term, you're accused of being a homophone, but I don't know what other medical/scientific term is appropriate.
I think the term homophobe describes you well.
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We're never going to learn which German towns have public pig****ing, are we?
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Old Today, 05:15 PM   #215
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I think the term homophobe describes you well.
I think term closed minded bigot describes you well.

I can play your stupid game all day. What is the point of it? You're just as prejudiced and dopey as the people who thought blacks were less or that gays should be locked up/forcibly treated. You're the same kind of dopey bigot as those people - you've just soaked up the social norms of a different age.
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