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Old 02-19-2017, 08:29 PM   #201
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Re: The politarding thread of SMP, for really really really sorting things out

You've got 'em on the ropes, TS!

Another 1 or 3 or so thousand word diatribe and they'll be convinced your super special blend of Christian-Identity Kinism is the wave of the future!!!
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Old 02-19-2017, 08:55 PM   #202
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I hope intolerance will not prevail. And I can't see how it could. Guys like Trump are squeaks in the big wheels.

I personally think you don't believe in what you are saying yourself. Trying to fictionally develop one side.

You must hope I'm right yourself. It's not rocket science. Let's work for a better world, not a worse one.
We have a long history of intolerance in the U.S. http://thereformedbroker.com/2017/01...alian-friends/

Please note that saying that 'all Trump is doing is enforcing immigration laws' is a flat-out lie. He banned legal permanent residents (people who have the legal right to be here) and visa holders (other people who have the legal right to be here) from entering the country.
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Old 02-19-2017, 10:07 PM   #203
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Dutch populist Geert Wilders talks of Moroccan 'scum'

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Dutch populist leader Geert Wilders has launched his election campaign by calling some Moroccans "scum".

Mr Wilders tops opinion polls ahead of the 15 March parliamentary vote, but has seen his lead reduced in recent weeks.

He has vowed to ban Muslim immigration and shut mosques if he wins.

His latest comments come two months after he was convicted in a hate speech trial over his promise to reduce the number of Moroccans in the country.

Mr Wilders addressed his supporters on Saturday amid tight security in his party's stronghold of Spijkenisse, an ethnically diverse area near Rotterdam.

"There is a lot of Moroccan scum in Holland who make the streets unsafe," he said. "If you want to regain your country, make the Netherlands for the people of the Netherlands again, then you can only vote for one party."

He emphasized that he thought "not all are scum".

According to the 2011 census, there were more than 167,000 Moroccan-born residents of the Netherlands, making up the third-largest group of non-EU residents, a figure that does not take into account second or third-generation Moroccans.

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He didn't say anything about Wogs. A nice omission.
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Old 02-19-2017, 11:04 PM   #204
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It seems that my Dutch* friend was wrong. They didn't ship all of their *******s off to South Africa.

*he informed me that they don't particularly enjoy being called "swamp Germans."
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Old 02-20-2017, 12:44 AM   #205
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Kinism
AKA Individualism with an extremely ironic twist.
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Old 02-20-2017, 05:15 AM   #206
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A guide to Trump, for the slow (which is most of you), so you enjoy him as I - and other people who aren't knuckle-dragging stupid - do.

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Trump says s'thing factually incorrect about Sweden, but broadly true. Liberals mock & howl, as if all is fine. People Google. Trump wins.
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They fall for it every time. By rejecting absolutely, as without even kernel of truth, they make themselves look like the dishonest ones. Madness
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"Factually incorrect" is a big deal. FACTS MATTER!
Agreed. That's my whole point. And the liberal response is untrue to a greater degree. It's a bear trap and they walk into it every time.
This is how Trump is taking back ground in the culture wars, bit by bit. He's moved public opinion on a couple of issues already. Liberals have gotten lazy since winning the culture wars. They are now so used to lying their faces off, smearing anyone who doesn't hold to their religious-level sacred cows, denying any truth whatsoever to the opponent's view (in furtherance of the "greater good" they believe they're furthering), that they can't stop. Trump is killing them at their own game. It's masterful and hilarious.

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Old 02-20-2017, 10:29 AM   #207
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Happy President's Day all! You must be proud to have such an excellent example of American values and success in the White House, and leading your nation.
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Old 02-20-2017, 11:45 AM   #208
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Re: The politarding thread of SMP, for really really really sorting things out

Also the idiots need their time in the sun.

It can not be for very long though. Why is that? Because they are idiots, it's something about how things play out.
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Old 02-20-2017, 11:47 AM   #209
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It's like a party hosted by Pussy Riot so far. We've declared freedom from demands of 'your president' like ages ago. Elite freedom.
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Old 02-20-2017, 11:49 AM   #210
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Also the idiots need their time in the sun.

It can not be for very long though. Why is that? Because they are idiots, it's something about how things play out.
So the guy who:

- Made billions of dollars in the tough NY real estate market
- Won the presidency as an outsider
- Against all the "expert" claims of the media that he had no shot
- While having both political establishments and the bulk of the media class against him, not to mention 20+ highly experienced candidates

is an idiot. That's a little rich, don't you think?

Do you think you are holding a rational view of Trump's intelligence here?
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Old 02-20-2017, 11:50 AM   #211
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So the guy who:

- Made billions of dollars in the tough NY real estate market
- Won the presidency as an outsider
- Against all the "expert" claims of the media that he had no shot
- While having both political establishments and the entire media class against him, not to mention 20+ highly experienced candidates

is an idiot. That's a little rich, don't you think?
Not in my experience.

His great idiocy mistake was promoting himself to a place where he will do real harm. Some destructive TV-shows and taking other people's money is a different matter.
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Old 02-20-2017, 12:31 PM   #212
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For some time now, at least >100 years the press in Europe has followed a pronounced American and secondarily English process. Look at the media in France, Germany, Italy,England... and note the american influence whether its appreciated or not.

And so, what I see is Europe following the New York times, Washington Post and in fact the exegesis of the American press while the readers of this questionable theatre follow along as if there is nothing else.

Really, you've been propagandized in a most curious way. Hard to believe but what does one expect from peoples who decimated their home countries in two great wars and are now in the midst of"being American" by bringing in peoples whom they are clueless about.

i'd like to spring forth this crazy perception of "rust belt" or "middle america" as per the propaganda mavens. No longer do these people sit on a stump and chew corn silk but their schools/universities/beliefs cannot be separated from the coastal peoples as if they are "unwashed".

The world is too small for the very people being denigrated are us, no more no less; Harvard educated, working in the local tire shop or singing on Broadway the separation doesn't fit and you should realize this.

Also the people of the rust belt are the grandchildren of those who did lose their jobs and had to work to get out of the destruction without the government's largess and now to state that a geographical region is less than adequate ? Oh, man, frickin' malevolence for all to see.

No longer is the education centers, creative milieu within the large cities and grossly separated from the hinterland. they are cognizant of everything at the the same moment the boys on the beach garner it in.

A poison of divisiveness is introduced into the American landscape where the apotheosis was the other guys finding fault with any mores that was believed to be good and true .

Just a rant, but you guys in Europe/Great Britain really ought to learn how to think for yourself. Not proselytizing but the words coming out of intelligent people has become breathtakingly painful.
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Old 02-20-2017, 12:59 PM   #213
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A guide to Trump, for the slow (which is most of you), so you enjoy him as I - and other people who aren't knuckle-dragging stupid - do.





This is how Trump is taking back ground in the culture wars, bit by bit. He's moved public opinion on a couple of issues already. Liberals have gotten lazy since winning the culture wars. They are now so used to lying their faces off, smearing anyone who doesn't hold to their religious-level sacred cows, denying any truth whatsoever to the opponent's view (in furtherance of the "greater good" they believe they're furthering), that they can't stop. Trump is killing them at their own game. It's masterful and hilarious.
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Great Boots. Gonzo tits. Nutcracker Ass. 100% American Girl.

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Old 02-23-2017, 11:45 PM   #215
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bbc.com/news/world-asia

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Kim Jong-nam, the half-brother of North Korea's leader, was killed by a highly toxic nerve agent, says Malaysia.

Mr Kim died last week after two women accosted him briefly in a check-in hall at a Kuala Lumpur airport.

Malaysian toxicology reports indicate he was attacked using "VX nerve agent", which is classified as a weapon of mass destruction by the United Nations.

Malaysia has not blamed the North Korean state for the death, but says North Koreans were clearly behind it.

Mr Kim died on the way to hospital shortly after the 13 February airport encounter. His body remains in a hospital mortuary, amid a diplomatic dispute over who should claim it.


North Korea responded furiously to Malaysia's insistence on conducting a post-mortem examination and has accused Malaysia of having "sinister" purposes.


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Why is politics like a soap opera? You said, he said, oh yes it is, oh no it isn't...
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Old 02-24-2017, 08:45 AM   #217
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Why is politics like a soap opera? You said, he said, oh yes it is, oh no it isn't...
For many people, political affiliation is an irrational tribal religion. Do you belong to this tribe or that tribe? Once you have to subscribe to and defend the tribe's (often irrational) groupthink to be properly accepted. For example, for lefties:

- People with dysmorphic mental illnesses + penises are women and should be called such and allowed unfettered to pee in bathrooms with little girls.
- Globals warming is super duper catatstrophically dangerous, scientists have complete consensus on this and anyone who disagrees is an oil-industry-paid denier
- Minorities are where are they are because of the dominant group, and not because of their own incompetence or culture.

Etc. Similar nonsense among the right.

Then when someone challenges that irrational orthodoxy, just like challenging someone's religion, they go mental, because the belief wasn't based on rationality or moral consistency to begin with.

It's not hard to understand. The media feeds it as well, creating alternate versions of reality - CNN on the left, Fox News on the right. Then Twitter and Facebook and Google (via their advertising) created even bigger feedback loops. You get cocooned in your own little reality bubble, with people who think like you.

Then each side picks their heroes. It's a bit like wrestling. There's a good article about how Trump's long wrestling experience helped him set up the perfect villain that everyone loves to hate, as is the standard wrestling story, and get him press.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...ia-fake-233615
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...094a129ef8c46?


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- Minorities are where are they are because of the dominant group...
Tautology alert.

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An idealogically sick thing to think IMO.
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Tautology alert.
Only if you frame it as a tautology.
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Why?

"Asian Americans are where they are because of their competence and culture".
"Jews are where they are because of their competence and culture"

Are they ideologically sick things to think? Are Korean and Jewish success purely luck? (I'm interested in your view here)

I think its reasonable that Jewish veneration of education and intelligence is one of the reasons they do so well, crushing the dominant culture in earnings and success. And that say, Korean focus on education, hard work and quiet achievement is the reason they've done so well as well. Is it all just dumb luck? I don't understand your position at all.

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I think its reasonable that Jewish veneration of education and intelligence is one of the reasons they do so well...
Maybe the same could be said of the English middle class. What's your point?
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Probably. In a meritorious free market society, it will eventually be stratified to some degree by ability to produce economic output, and hard work.

You said it was ideologically sick to think that part of the reason for groups doing well (or not) could be due to their culture. Yet above you seem to at least partly agree with that statement. So I'm confused - is it ideologically sick, or correct, or both?
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You said it was ideologically sick to think that part of the reason for groups doing well (or not) could be due to their culture.
Competence and culture, you said.

Of course it's sick. The reason for some "minority" groups not doing well is largely due to my colonist culture.
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You're just repeating your religious mantra. You're basically making my point, and yours.
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