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Old 05-18-2017, 11:50 AM   #626
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Gun crime is a problem of black and Hispanic minorities in Chicago. You might not like the facts, but they are what they are.
A 287.3% smarter take is "gangs are bad."
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Old 05-18-2017, 12:45 PM   #627
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And who forms gangs? Cultures inimical to individualism, cultures that openly subscribe to racial identity politics and have widespread racist elements and talk, and cultures that see violence as tolerable.

Guess which cultures those are? White Southern culture, 1935. Skinhead culture. Black inner city culture. Latino culture. Lebanese culture. Some others.

Which is exactly my point.
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And who forms gangs? Cultures inimical to individualism, cultures that openly subscribe to racial identity politics and have widespread racist elements and talk, and cultures that see violence as tolerable.

Guess which cultures those are? White Southern culture, 1935. Skinhead culture. Black inner city culture. Latino culture. Lebanese culture. Some others.

Which is exactly my point.
Don't forget the Irish, Italians and Koreans.
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Don't forget the Irish, Italians and Koreans.
And the US Senate.
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Old 05-19-2017, 03:46 PM   #630
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Aside from Hong Kong, what examples are there of free market capitalism. I suppose the Wild, Wild, West.
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Aside from Hong Kong, what examples are there of free market capitalism. I suppose the Wild, Wild, West.
I suppose you think there are no examples of communism as well?
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Like Cuba, I'd describe most of the nation states today as corporatist.
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WAPO reports today that a senior white house advisor is a "person of interest" in the Russian investigation. My bet is it's Steve Bannon. He was the propaganda minister for the Trump campaign in charge of disseminating fake news through Fox, Breitbart, Twitter, and talk radio. When he became aware of Russia's ability to magnify such fake news through their army of social media bots Bannon communicated with the Russians, providing fake news stories for the Russians to spread.


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Like Cuba, I'd describe most of the nation states today as corporatist.
Okay, but do you think there are or have been any communist countries?
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Okay, but do you think there are or have been any communist countries?
Besides Cuba?
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I suppose you think there are no examples of communism as well?
Come on man, we all know that if it isn't 100% pure laissez faire anarcho capitalism, then it isn't capitalism.
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In person I'm lovely and broad minded and easy to get on with. You on the other hand seem pretty deep in your partisan bigotry in away I'm sure spills over into your real life. I'd work on that.
LOL, that's a classic Trumpian response. "He's an ******* on the campaign but he's a good guy when you get to know him!" Yeah, I'm sure you're a douchebag online but a great guy in real life. What would that even say about you in the off-chance it is true?

It's just hilarious that you decide to whine about an anti-Trump bias in the media. You are literally bringing up supposed corruption in the Clinton Foundation as Trump is bragging that he fired Comey to slow the Russian investigation of him, after he pressured Comey to stop investigating Michael Flynn. What the hell? You people can believe in Hillary being a pedo in the non-existent basement of a pizza shop but can't see any of Trump's misdoings? What is wrong with you?

I don't mind people supporting certain policies of Trump's. I think it's ridiculous that you actually think you're not biased. Imagine if Obama was elected after Russia hacked and smeared his opponent, then he fired an FBI director for investigating him. Republican heads would explode. Since it's Trump, I'm sure they'll jump to his defense. Sad to watch but you'd think people would realize they are so biased. Like Roger Ailes said, people are lazy and want the thinking done for them. Russia sure likes taking advantage of that.
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Come on man, we all know that if it isn't 100% pure laissez faire anarcho capitalism, then it isn't capitalism.
So what communist countries can you think of besides Cuba? I mean, many of the 'ole countries are more capitalist than they use to be, such as Russia for example after the break-up of the Soviet Union, China which encourages entrepreneurship through favors driven by the Communist Party, Vietnam also more capitalist. I mean, it's hard to think of examples of true communism in today's world without peaking at wiki, etc. I guess you could say North Korea, but even they now have a stock market. I wonder if it is even possible to name a country without a McDonalds.
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Best way to describe the world economy is w/ the TWO COWS imho.

http://www.boredpanda.com/corporatio...ws-ecownomics/

Then perhaps Peter Schiff's book, "How the economy grows and why it crashes."
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So what communist countries can you think of besides Cuba? I mean, many of the 'ole countries are more capitalist than they use to be, such as Russia for example after the break-up of the Soviet Union, China which encourages entrepreneurship through favors driven by the Communist Party, Vietnam also more capitalist. I mean, it's hard to think of examples of true communism in today's world without peaking at wiki, etc. I guess you could say North Korea, but even they now have a stock market. I wonder if it is even possible to name a country without a McDonalds.
Reality tends to trump ideology over time. Pure ideologies just don't survive in the real world.

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Best way to describe the world economy is w/ the TWO COWS imho.

http://www.boredpanda.com/corporatio...ws-ecownomics/

Then perhaps Peter Schiff's book, "How the economy grows and why it crashes."
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So what communist countries can you think of besides Cuba? I mean, many of the 'ole countries are more capitalist than they use to be, such as Russia for example after the break-up of the Soviet Union, China which encourages entrepreneurship through favors driven by the Communist Party, Vietnam also more capitalist. I mean, it's hard to think of examples of true communism in today's world without peaking at wiki, etc. I guess you could say North Korea, but even they now have a stock market. I wonder if it is even possible to name a country without a McDonalds.
I wasn't trying to give you a pop quiz. I was pointing out that communism is a real ideology that was only imperfectly instantiated in the Soviet Union, Venezuela, Cuba, China, Vietnam, or any of the communist countries in history. That doesn't mean those weren't communist countries. You shouldn't limit the definition of a free-market country by requiring a compromise-free version of capitalism either.
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LOL, that's a classic Trumpian response. "He's an ******* on the campaign but he's a good guy when you get to know him!"
He attacks politicians and worthless people. I'm all in favor of that.

And yes to the latter. Look at his family.
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Yeah, I'm sure you're a douchebag online but a great guy in real life. What would that even say about you in the off-chance it is true?
It would say that I like to discuss intellectual ideas online, and offline, I prefer harmony.
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It's just hilarious that you decide to whine about an anti-Trump bias in the media. You are literally bringing up supposed corruption in the Clinton Foundation as Trump is bragging that he fired Comey to slow the Russian investigation of him, after he pressured Comey to stop investigating Michael Flynn.
How do you know the bolded is the case? You don't. What source does it come from? At this point we have nothing but someone who recounted a conversation with Comey to an anti-Trump newspaper. Contradicted in fact, by Comey's own testimony under oath.
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What the hell? You people can believe in Hillary being a pedo in the non-existent basement of a pizza shop but can't see any of Trump's misdoings? What is wrong with you?
You seem to view Trump supporters as a monolith. This is one of your many cognitive errors.
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I don't mind people supporting certain policies of Trump's. I think it's ridiculous that you actually think you're not biased. Imagine if Obama was elected after Russia hacked and smeared his opponent, then he fired an FBI director for investigating him.
How do you know the last is the case? You don't. At this point we have nothing but someone who recounted a conversation with Comey to an anti-Trump newspaper.

Contrast with that, Comey on the record under oath saying that there hasn't been political interference of any kind in the FBI. I bet you don't even know that, because like a cuck, you uncritically listen to the liberal version of Fox News.
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Since it's Trump, I'm sure they'll jump to his defense. Sad to watch but you'd think people would realize they are so biased. Like Roger Ailes said, people are lazy and want the thinking done for them. Russia sure likes taking advantage of that.
Ironic for the guy who's swallowing absurdly anti-Trump propaganda from the Washington Post. At this point the Russia investigation is pure beat-up by the media. There is no evidence whatsoever of collusion. And give how long it's gone on, and the propensity of Trump haters to commit criminal acts and leak classified information, there is no evidence. Think about it.

Anyway. Here's proof of (just one of hundreds) of examples of pure hysterical fake news, that works on cucks such as yourself.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/u...-fbi.html?_r=0
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WASHINGTON — Days before he was fired as F.B.I. director, James B. Comey asked the Justice Department for more prosecutors and other personnel to accelerate the bureau’s investigation into Russia’s interference in the presidential election.

It was the first clear-cut evidence that Mr. Comey believed the bureau needed more resources to handle a sprawling and highly politicized counterintelligence investigation.

His appeal, described on Wednesday by four congressional officials, was made to Rod J. Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, whose memo was used to justify Mr. Comey’s abrupt dismissal on Tuesday.
This is scandalous and strongly indicates Trump's improper, even criminal, motives. The trouble is, it's fake news. The truth? Well, this is pure made-up bull**** by the New York Times:



Not-too-bright people such as yourself swallow the hysteria whole, just like the Fox News morons but on the other side, and headlines like this create the impression of scandal and impropriety. But they're purely fake. If your brain functioned in a more scientific manner, you would have figured this out a long time ago.

Multiply that by hundreds of fake news articles from "reputable" sources like the NYT on lots of topics related to Trump, to create headlines and scandal, and the hard-left media have managed to create the appearance of a scandal where none exists at all.

See how that works? No, of course you don't. You're credulous. Using facts and reason on you is like talking to a Fox News true believer.
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Reality tends to trump ideology over time. Pure ideologies just don't survive in the real world.
I tend to agree.
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Old 05-20-2017, 12:28 PM   #644
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I wasn't trying to give you a pop quiz. I was pointing out that communism is a real ideology that was only imperfectly instantiated in the Soviet Union, Venezuela, Cuba, China, Vietnam, or any of the communist countries in history. That doesn't mean those weren't communist countries. You shouldn't limit the definition of a free-market country by requiring a compromise-free version of capitalism either.
I think there have been communist countries in the past, but the differences between modern nation states, and nation states 100 years ago, they are not all that different today.
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He eats his steak well-done with ketchup. That alone is sufficient to demonstrate that there is something fundamentally wrong with the man.

Eating steak well-done with ketchup is the only known example where Fermat's Principle of Conjunctive Probability doesn't apply. Literally 100% chance that any additional negative attribute must also be true.
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He eats his steak well-done with ketchup. That alone is sufficient to demonstrate that there is something fundamentally wrong with the man.
Jesus. Eating steak w ketchup! With his money!

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The well done steak thing is just virtue signaling to his white trash base.

Tooth, will you please give me your breakdown of why we should approve of David Clarke for dept of Homeland Security?
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The well done steak thing is just virtue signaling to his white trash base.
I'd believe this if it were a request for overcooked pork chops, but I thought that beef was the one thing that white trash generally get right...

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Tooth, will you please give me your breakdown of why we should approve of David Clarke for dept of Homeland Security?
I think that Trump is slipping with this one. Clarke has some experience that is loosely related to the job.
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He attacks politicians and worthless people. I'm all in favor of that. And yes to the latter. Look at his family.
LOL, like when he mocked the reporter with a disability for debunking Trump's idiotic claim that thousands of Muslims were cheering in NJ on 9/11? And when he made fun of John McCain for being captured? The guy is a scumbag, and his family is right there with him for propping him on a pedestal. I do recall you calling him "humble" at one point, which basically makes me wonder whether I should bother responding to you, because you must be beyond deluded.

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How do you know the bolded is the case? You don't. What source does it come from? At this point we have nothing but someone who recounted a conversation with Comey to an anti-Trump newspaper. Contradicted in fact, by Comey's own testimony under oath.
Trump was literally quoted in an official White House document saying that the Comey firing would take pressure off the Russia investigation. It's so strange hearing you request a burden of proof from someone when Trump constantly lies about the unemployment rate, Obama wiretapping him, voter fraud... it's almost as if you are incredibly biased and believe anything that works in Trump's favor, but brush off anything against him as "fake news".

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You seem to view Trump supporters as a monolith. This is one of your many cognitive errors.
Interesting, a guy who spends an incredible amount of hours on this forum explaining to people why Muslims and liberals are scum is crying about being painted with a broad brush. About what I'd expect from some crazy who idolizes Trump.

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There is no evidence whatsoever of collusion.
So in your head, Russia did not hack the election, Trump associates (including Manafort and Roger Stone) have no relations with Russia, and Trump did not fire Comey because of the Russia investigation. Right, you demand more evidence... maybe because you are biased and hate that it goes against your political views?

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The trouble is, it's fake news. The truth? Well, this is pure made-up bull**** by the New York Times:
Aaaaaand there it is. You literally quote a website run by the Heritage Foundation for your news. So you get your news from a blatantly biased news source then complain that everyone is watching/reading biased fake news? Oh, my head.

Unfortunately I've seen the amount of time you take in posting on this website, and the **** you spew. You clearly have 1) An enormous amount of free time, likely due to a **** personality pushing away any other people who would come to enjoy your company, and 2) An insane devotion to an incapable dick who managed to win an election by fooling millions of Americans into thinking he was better than a candidate who was propagandized to hell by Russia. There's no point in continuing this conversation, so I'll leave the thread and let you respond however you'd like. I'll tell you this-- try to use your head a bit more and ask yourself "If Obama did this, would I be OK with it?" You imply you have great critical thinking skills, but it's clear to most of us on this site that you're an obnoxious, biased sack of **** with way too much free time to spend here. With that, I'm out, not bothering to check your response because I'm sure it's worthless, as usual.
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LOL, like when he mocked the reporter with a disability for debunking Trump's idiotic claim that thousands of Muslims were cheering in NJ on 9/11? And when he made fun of John McCain for being captured? The guy is a scumbag
These are two excellent examples.

1. Mocking the reporter's disability is fake news; it never happened. This is 100% certain. Trump was emulating grovelling/confusion, not mocking the guy's spastic arm; he's made exactly the same guesture before mocking others who weren't disabled. But you don't care about truth. You're a willing dupe for the liberal version of Fox News, like plenty of republicans are willing dupes for regular Fox News, and they've drilled their fake narrative into your empty head.

2. The context of the McCain comments went right over your head. Sane, normal people understood that they were a pushback against the deification of "war heroes" like McCain, to the point where Trump can't respond when McCain viciously attacks him, because "war hero".

Notice that all the loser pundits claimed that Trump was finished at this point. They have the same thing missing from their brain that you do - common sense and an understanding of metaphor and subtext. Many people don't lack this, which was why Trump wasn't finished.

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Trump was literally quoted in an official White House document saying that the Comey firing would take pressure off the Russia investigation.
That's not what I asked for evidence of.
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It's so strange hearing you request a burden of proof from someone when Trump constantly lies about the unemployment rate, Obama wiretapping him, voter fraud... it's almost as if you are incredibly biased and believe anything that works in Trump's favor, but brush off anything against him as "fake news".
The trouble is, you lack life experience and sense.

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Interesting, a guy who spends an incredible amount of hours on this forum explaining to people why Muslims and liberals are scum is crying about being painted with a broad brush.
When I talk about Muslims, I'm not painting them with a broad brush. My comments are in the context of this:



Which is clear evidence that the majority of Muslims hold misogynist, xenophobic views, and nearly half hold deeply disturbing, cult-like murderous beliefs. And it's also evidence that a small minority don't. But that nuance is lost on you.

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About what I'd expect from some crazy who idolizes Trump.
I don't idolize Trump. I don't even like the guy. What I do object to is rabid, fact free, anti-Trump nuttiness from like people you. Trump is the left's Emmanuel Goldstein, and they love their two minute's hate. They've lost their minds.

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So in your head, Russia did not hack the election, Trump associates (including Manafort and Roger Stone) have no relations with Russia, and Trump did not fire Comey because of the Russia investigation.
It's likely that Russia hacked DNC emails. Manafort has dodgy relations all over the globe. The extent to which he works for Russia is unknown. Trump did not fire Comey because of the investigation; it had no effect on it.
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Right, you demand more evidence... maybe because you are biased and hate that it goes against your political views?
I'm not biased in the slightest. You just think I am because you gobble up fake news like a fat kid with candy. It's sad. People like you are how the Nazis came to power.

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WASHINGTON — Days before he was fired as F.B.I. director, James B. Comey asked the Justice Department for more prosecutors and other personnel to accelerate the bureau’s investigation into Russia’s interference in the presidential election.

It was the first clear-cut evidence that Mr. Comey believed the bureau needed more resources to handle a sprawling and highly politicized counterintelligence investigation.

His appeal, described on Wednesday by four congressional officials, was made to Rod J. Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, whose memo was used to justify Mr. Comey’s abrupt dismissal on Tuesday.
Aaaaaand there it is. You literally quote a website run by the Heritage Foundation for your news. So you get your news from a blatantly biased news source then complain that everyone is watching/reading biased fake news? Oh, my head.
No, I don't get my news from them. I quoted the NYT article as an example of fake news, and that one because it had the collection of media the PROVED the article was fake news.

Ironically, the above is where you prove what a sloppily credulous partisan you are. The facts are irrelevant to you; you don't care about them. The facts show that New York Times - that implies scandal and impropriety - is a 100% fake news article.That should bother you; the NYT is a newspaper of record. There dozens of examples of similar fake news from the NYT and others toward Trump.

But you don't care about fact. You're deep in the rabbit hole of partisan prejudice. Instead of actually looking at the pure facts, you look up the website of the rebuttal; if it doesn't fit your partisan list of "ok" news sources, the whole thing goes out the window. This makes you a low-information idiot.

Do you deny that the article I quoted from the NYT is pure fake news? Do you deny that the rebuttal I quoted is accurate? Let's talk about issues, and leave your partisan prejudice out of it. It's boring and shallow.
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Unfortunately I've seen the amount of time you take in posting on this website, and the **** you spew. You clearly have 1) An enormous amount of free time, likely due to a **** personality pushing away any other people who would come to enjoy your company
Really? I spent maybe an hour a day on here. I trade derivatives weekdays, which is mostly very boring waiting for setups. I love the armchair psychology though. You have a serious cognitive deficit when it comes to confirmation bias.

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2) An insane devotion to an incapable dick who managed to win an election by fooling millions of Americans into thinking he was better than a candidate who was propagandized to hell by Russia.
He was a better candidate; he won on the issues, and by being less corrupt.

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There's no point in continuing this conversation, so I'll leave the thread and let you respond however you'd like. I'll tell you this-- try to use your head a bit more and ask yourself "If Obama did this, would I be OK with it?"
What exactly has Trump done, that I'm supposed to be not ok with?
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You imply you have great critical thinking skills, but it's clear to most of us on this site that you're an obnoxious, biased sack of **** with way too much free time to spend here. With that, I'm out, not bothering to check your response because I'm sure it's worthless, as usual.
Way to broaden your horizons, buddy.

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