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Old 05-11-2017, 03:43 AM   #1
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poker analogy to QM

Given the venue, I'm guessing some variation of this may have been floated before. But I have a question at the end.

The analogy I'm proposing:
Villains Hand Range
QM Superposition

example:
Hand Range
  • Villains Hand Range is treated as if all hand combos villain could have are true.
  • all hand combos have a probability coefficient adding up to 100%

Superposition:
  • Particles exist in all possible combinations of complementary properties.
  • All property combos have a probability coefficient adding up to 100%

Question
Since QM uses wave functions, not probability theory. Has anyone looked into the feasibility for using wave functions to replace probability theory which is inherrently handicapped by the random deck state premise.

I don't know enough about the math behind wave functions myself.
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Old 05-12-2017, 02:55 PM   #2
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Re: poker analogy to QM

Nice analogy, but think it stops there. Why? Because analogies are about basically largely different things.
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Old 05-12-2017, 03:29 PM   #3
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Re: poker analogy to QM

These two may be touching each other at some integrated level though. QM is a bit far away from the macroscopic level so far.

In which way do you think probability theory is inherently handicapped in the macroscopic world? Why wouldn't the random deck state premise be enough? Remember we are talking about kind of a "superimposed" state also in probability theory.

This could be a case of Newton vs Einstein, difference spotted at the extremes, but maybe not in a sunky poker venue

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Old 05-12-2017, 08:04 PM   #4
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Re: poker analogy to QM

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Since QM uses wave functions, not probability theory.
Let me stop you right there...
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Old 05-13-2017, 12:22 PM   #5
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Re: poker analogy to QM

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Since QM uses wave functions, not probability theory. Has anyone looked into the feasibility for using wave functions to replace probability theory which is inherrently handicapped by the random deck state premise.
Quantum mechanics does use probability theory, its just based on the L2 norm while standard combinatorics, like poker, is the L1 norm. You could make a poker like game that a computer could deal based on L2, but it wouldn't be standard poker and would require a much smarter group of authors to write poker strategy books about.
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Old 05-13-2017, 01:35 PM   #6
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Re: poker analogy to QM

David, are you up for the challenge?
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Old 05-13-2017, 06:51 PM   #7
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David, are you up for the challenge?
He isnt. Its not a super hard problem though, I'd hire Bill Chen if for some crazy reason I had to supervise this project in addition to doing my regular job. Plenty of undergrads could do it also.
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Old 05-13-2017, 06:57 PM   #8
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Re: poker analogy to QM

"The QM Theory of Poker"

Over/under for it will be a bestseller?
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