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Old 02-06-2012, 05:29 PM   #1
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Is pedophilia* less common than homosexuality?

If so, why?

*by pedophilia, I'm refering to a person of reproductive age being primarily sexually attracted to a person of non-reproductive age ( on average )

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Old 02-06-2012, 05:54 PM   #2
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Re: Is pedophilia* less common than homosexuality?

Yes because there is a far stronger taboo against pedophilia than against homosexuality. In fact, I think pedophilia is possibly the strongest taboo there is, I think the social rule against pedophilia might be stronger than against murder or sadistic torture.

Excluding that effect... I have no clue whatsoever.
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Old 02-06-2012, 06:29 PM   #3
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Re: Is pedophilia* less common than homosexuality?

Wikipedia says a few studies have been done that suggest a 3-9% prevalence, likely ~5%. I see no reason not to believe that sort of figure. That puts it as half or so of the homosexual rate (i think?), but really i don't think we know well enough to say they don't overlap. if homosexuality is underreported then pedophilia is likely much moreso.

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Old 02-06-2012, 07:17 PM   #4
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Re: Is pedophilia* less common than homosexuality?

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Wikipedia says a few studies have been done that suggest a 3-9% prevalence, likely ~5%. I see no reason not to believe that sort of figure. That puts it as half or so of the homosexual rate (i think?), but really i don't think we know well enough to say they don't overlap. if homosexuality is underreported then pedophilia is likely much moreso.
When I click on the wiki footnotes that you are refering to, I need to pay 20$ to read the whole study. But at a brief glance it would seem like the word "prevalence" is equivalant to "arousal" in your wiki studies. To compare an arousal rate to the rate of homosexuals seems wrong.

edit - but as Vantek pointed out, homosexuals can act on their arousals where pedophiles cannot. So I get what you are saying Wahoo3. Thank you.

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Re: Is pedophilia* less common than homosexuality?

what is pedophilia and what not ?
girl = 15 years, big boobs and slutty makes me a bit horny, but i dont hit it (i think its not pedo)
girl = 9 years, like ... nine years old makes one horny = mos def pedo

but where to draw the line ?
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Old 02-06-2012, 07:38 PM   #6
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Re: Is pedophilia* less common than homosexuality?

It's reprehensible. Even the thoughtcrime is subject to multiple order of magnitudes of torture.

As for homosexuality, it doesn't bother me. You grow up in boarding schools, you see different people grow.

Females are inherently bisexual in every dynamic, and this is not always expressed physically. It's 20th c- males that are the problem.

And to think in a patriarchal era (well ****ing terminated btw) that these crimes did not have the potential to happen...

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Old 02-06-2012, 07:44 PM   #7
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what is pedophilia and what not ?
girl = 15 years, big boobs and slutty makes me a bit horny, but i dont hit it (i think its not pedo)
girl = 9 years, like ... nine years old makes one horny = mos def pedo

but where to draw the line ?
I drew the line in my OP. 15 year olds don't cut it but nine year olds probably do.
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Old 02-06-2012, 07:45 PM   #8
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It's reprehensible. Even the thoughtcrime is subject to multiple order of magnitudes of torture.

As for homosexuality, it doesn't bother me. You grow up in boarding schools, you see different people grow.

Females are inherently bisexual in every dynamic, and this is not always expressed physically. It's 20th c- males that are the problem.

And to think in a patriarchal era (well ****ing terminated btw) that these crimes did not have the potential to happen...

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I'm looking for thoughtful discussion, not hysterics.
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Re: Is pedophilia* less common than homosexuality?

I honestly believe there's a lot more pedos out there than what we hear about. I read a local news site every day, and it seems like somebody is always getting caught with kid porn. Yet I don't hear about it on my local news. I live in a large U.S. city fwiw. How can anyone rely on studies anyway? Do you really think a pedo is going to openly admit that for the sake of a survey?
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Wikipedia says a few studies have been done that suggest a 3-9% prevalence, likely ~5%. I see no reason not to believe that sort of figure. That puts it as half or so of the homosexual rate (i think?), but really i don't think we know well enough to say they don't overlap. if homosexuality is underreported then pedophilia is likely much moreso.
The initially cited figure of 10% of people being gay was overstated. I believe it's less than 5% in reality.

As for the OP, where are you going with this question? I don't think we can tell you the reason why. If we knew what caused homosexuality or pedophilia, then maybe we could better answer why one was more common than the other. But we don't fully understand this, so I don't think we can do more than unscientific guessing to explain the small difference in numbers.
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I honestly believe there's a lot more pedos out there than what we hear about. I read a local news site every day, and it seems like somebody is always getting caught with kid porn. Yet I don't hear about it on my local news. I live in a large U.S. city fwiw. How can anyone rely on studies anyway? Do you really think a pedo is going to openly admit that for the sake of a survey?


No I do not and I admitted this and I understand Vantek's and Wahoo's logic. Do you think pedophilia is more or less common than homosexuality? If so, why?
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Old 02-06-2012, 08:00 PM   #12
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what is pedophilia and what not ?
girl = 15 years, big boobs and slutty makes me a bit horny, but i dont hit it (i think its not pedo)
girl = 9 years, like ... nine years old makes one horny = mos def pedo

but where to draw the line ?
Pedophilia is defined by attraction to prepubescent kids. This makes the line easier to draw. Hebephilia gets you the attraction to the young pubescent kids.
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Re: Is pedophilia* less common than homosexuality?

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I honestly believe there's a lot more pedos out there than what we hear about. I read a local news site every day, and it seems like somebody is always getting caught with kid porn. Yet I don't hear about it on my local news. I live in a large U.S. city fwiw. How can anyone rely on studies anyway? Do you really think a pedo is going to openly admit that for the sake of a survey?
Maybe those studies use some clever revealed preference techniques. I agree that incentives to lie wouldn't go away even with full anonymity, the taboo Vantek mentions is that strong. Which is a bit puzzling. Why is paedophilia considered more reprehensible than murder and torture?
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The initially cited figure of 10% of people being gay was overstated. I believe it's less than 5% in reality.

As for the OP, where are you going with this question? I don't think we can tell you the reason why. If we knew what caused homosexuality or pedophilia, then maybe we could better answer why one was more common than the other. But we don't fully understand this, so I don't think we can do more than unscientific guessing to explain the small difference in numbers.
Thank you for your thoughtful answer. I thought that there were clear reasons behind homosexuality being selected for. I presumed that there are no real reasons for pedophelia to be selected for. I could very well be wrong. I was just asking the question.
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I'm looking for thoughtful discussion, not hysterics.
Statement of linear historical fact in summation as a feminist reactive movement.

Reaction without allowance for emotion is pretty dumb btw.

Bolded is good enough tho.
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