Official Outer Limits/Debunking Thread

[Benholio]

Originally Posted by donniccolo

i cannot get over the timeline that everyone so blindly believes. let me recap:

1961: USA's space exploration totals 15 manned minutes in low earth orbit

1961-1968: NASA scientists work diligently to create, from scratch, the most sophisticated technology ever dreamt by man (spacesuits, Saturn V rocket, lunar orbiter, etc)

From scratch? All branches of the US military were developing long range missiles in the early 1950's. Development of the Saturn rockets started before NASA was formed.

The first full-pressure suit was used as early as 1931. A hard-shell suit that was the predecessor to the suits used by NASA was developed in the early 1950's and was being used in vacuum chambers.

This all really sits well in your mind? w/ 60s technology? developed in < 8 years? in the 60s?!

EIGHT YEARS. not bad considering it took Stars 3 years to implement "auto add-on". In 5 more years maybe Stars will have moon landing software ;-)

The technology involved in this was developed over a much longer period than 8 years and by multiple private, government and international agencies.

Consider this peculiar fact: in order to reach the surface of the Moon from the surface of the Earth, the Apollo astronauts would have had to travel a minimum of 234,000 miles*. Since the last Apollo flight allegedly returned from the Moon in 1972, the furthest that any astronaut from any country has traveled from the surface of the Earth is about 400 miles. And very few have even gone that far. The primary components of the current U.S. space program – the space shuttles, the space station, and the Hubble Telescope – operate at an orbiting altitude of about 200 miles.

Well sure, why would we send these things further away than an earth orbit?

If you just want to throw numbers out there for shock value, we sent the Mars rovers out at least 34,000,000 miles (distance to mars in 2003, which was a relative minimum).

[ganstaman]

Originally Posted by donniccolo

We are to believe that they nailed this mission 6 times in 7 attempts (in outer space mind you) where as it took thousands of trials and errors on Earth to even get into Earth's orbit.

This all really sits well in your mind? w/ 60s technology? developed in < 8 years? in the 60s?!

EIGHT YEARS. not bad considering it took Stars 3 years to implement "auto add-on". In 5 more years maybe Stars will have moon landing software ;-)

Consider this peculiar fact: in order to reach the surface of the Moon from the surface of the Earth, the Apollo astronauts would have had to travel a minimum of 234,000 miles*. Since the last Apollo flight allegedly returned from the Moon in 1972, the furthest that any astronaut from any country has traveled from the surface of the Earth is about 400 miles. And very few have even gone that far. The primary components of the current U.S. space program – the space shuttles, the space station, and the Hubble Telescope – operate at an orbiting altitude of about 200 miles.

OMG, guiz, so like they say we developed nucular bombs in the 40s! And we used 2 bombs in the span of 3 days, but since then, we've used 0!!!!11!!

I bet Hiroshima and Nagasaki were faked.

[always_sunni_]

My question is,

What is the first thing that you would do if all man-made objects disappeared this instant? (Lemme know if you need further clarification....)

[vhawk01]

It took us 100,000 years to harness electricity and you expect me to believe we got instant access to midget porn in less than 100? GMAFB

[Subfallen]

Originally Posted by always_sunni_

My question is,

What is the first thing that you would do if all man-made objects disappeared this instant?

Start expecting the Spanish Inquisition, probably.

[Subfallen]

Also I had a conversation with the janitor in my building today, and he was saying how we are going to colonize Mars and it won't be hard to find people to move there permanently...and I replied, "Maybe, but Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids / In fact, it's cold as hell."

He stared at me.

[atakdog]

Originally Posted by Subfallen

Also I had a conversation with the janitor in my building today, and he was saying how we are going to colonize Mars and it won't be hard to find people to move there permanently...and I replied, "Maybe, but Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids / In fact, it's cold as hell."

He stared at me.

You're totally missing the point: there's no one there to raise them — that's the problem. And there won't be if we don't start working on the problem now. I say we could get a manned space program going in just forty or fifty years — maybe go for the moon first, though. That should be challenge enough.

[ChrisV]

Originally Posted by atakdog

I agree that discussion of cold fusion and discussion of whether the moon landing was a hoax seem qualitatively different. The latter belongs in a thread about zombies and crop circles, but the former can at least be discussed, more than trivially, in a scientific way.

I agree with this. In fact I think the acid test ought to be whether a paper discussing the subject has been published in a peer-reviewed journal in the last five years. This would allow discussion on some subjects which are considered nonsense by the mainstream community but which are or have been the subject of actual research. For instance cold fusion and homeopathy. That's fine because then there is actual evidence to discuss. However it would still allow clear pseudoscience (phrenology, perpetual motion machines, the healing power of crystals, assorted conspiracy theories such as the moon landing) to be confined to this thread as planned.

[plaaynde]

Originally Posted by Benholio

If you just want to throw numbers out there for shock value, we sent the Mars rovers out at least 34,000,000 miles (distance to mars in 2003, which was a relative minimum).

Donniccolo? Did we send these out... or...?

[plaaynde]

Originally Posted by always_sunni_

My question is,

What is the first thing that you would do if all man-made objects disappeared this instant? (Lemme know if you need further clarification....)

I would think: HOW ** did this happen?

(If I still existed, in a way I´m a man made "object" too )

First I would try to check on my sanity. I would try to check out what consecuences this has. Are my loved ones still around? What is the weather, primarily: how cold is it? Where to get shelter? Can we survive on the short or middle long term and what to do to increase the chances? Finding drinking water is a big issue. Can we co-operate with the other people around? A former city would be incredibly crouded. All people inside houses would have fallen down to the ground from where they were, when their man-made houses diappeared. Now it is getting really nasty...

No clothes. It´s beginning to look like people primarily in the tropics have a decent chance.

[plaaynde]

Originally Posted by always_sunni_

My question is,

What is the first thing that you would do if all man-made objects disappeared this instant? (Lemme know if you need further clarification....)

And...of course...I would try to determine if I´m dreaming, which I think would be the most probable alternative if I experienced the quoted thing.

Followed in falling order of probability by me being insane and hallucinating and then followed by nothing and then by nothing and then...interesting...maybe by nothing...

[DDNK]

Fringe theory: you're dreaming right now. Prove otherwise.

[plaaynde]

Originally Posted by DDNK

Fringe theory: you're dreaming right now. Prove otherwise.

I hope for your sake I´m not dreaming. If I´m dreaming, it would lead to that your quoted post is dreamed up by me and you hadn´t written it. How do you feel about that?

[DDNK]

Originally Posted by plaaynde

I hope for your sake I´m not dreaming. If I´m dreaming, it would lead to that your quoted post is dreamed up by me and you hadn´t written it. How do you feel about that?

Being a figment of your imagination, I'm cool with that, of course.

[donniccolo]

Originally Posted by plaaynde

Donniccolo? Did we send these out... or...?

humans =/= robots

although i think its laughable that the president now wants to sent humans to mars. the US and every other nation on earth has failed to send a human >400 miles from earth since 1972 (or ever if you're in my camp) and now obama wants to send someone a zillion miles away.

enjoy.

simple question with respect: how many years will have to pass before you do doubt the 1969-72 "landings" ? ? do you think in 2069 when it has been 100 years the avg person will still buy this if we're still in low earth orbit? honest answers only, please leave smartarse criticism behind.

thanks.