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12-24-2019 , 10:24 AM
https://www.google.com/search?q=elli...&bih=666&dpr=2

Images of elliptical craters
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12-24-2019 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 1&onlybillyshears
1) let's see direct observations of elliptical craters, they're all looking pretty circular to me.
Right. And because you think they look circular, it *must* be true. After all, it's not like anyone has *ever* taken pictures of elliptical craters on the moon, or done anything remotely resembling a survey of crater shapes. But since you think they're circular, the facts simply don't matter.

But regardless of that, you acknowledge their existence, yes?
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12-24-2019 , 11:08 AM
It appears that by applying a simple scientific approach and critical mind I am once again found to be more learned about the heliocentric spinning ball religion than some of its followers.

From Dr Alastair Gunn
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If you throw a stone into mud at an angle you normally end up with a ‘crater’ that’s elliptical or elongated. It’s natural to suppose the same would be true of a meteoroid hitting the Earth or another planet. But these kinds of impact craters are formed in an entirely different way to the ‘mechanical’ process of a stone hitting mud.

Meteoroids are moving at extremely high velocities (up to tens of kilometres per second). At the moment of impact this enormous kinetic energy is almost entirely converted into heat, which then vaporises the meteoroid instantly. It’s this ‘explosion’ and not the meteoroid itself that creates the impact crater. Since material is ejected equally in all directions, regardless of the direction of travel of the meteoroid, the resulting crater is circular. There can be exceptions to this but only if the impact occurs at an extremely shallow angle.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sci...-circular/amp/

Did you not know about the vaporising? Have you never read a comic book?
Which means that due to the insane speeds required etc a replication of the event to "experiment" as to possible causes is impossible.
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12-24-2019 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
Right. And because you think they look circular, it *must* be true. After all, it's not like anyone has *ever* taken pictures of elliptical craters on the moon, or done anything remotely resembling a survey of crater shapes. But since you think they're circular, the facts simply don't matter.

But regardless of that, you acknowledge their existence, yes?
Really? Care to cite some of these elliptical images, as I have just asked for? Generic Google search doesn't wash here. I want actual image of moon with source supplied etc.

As I said, I can see with a basic telescope "craters" on the moon of circular shape.
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12-24-2019 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 1&onlybillyshears
It appears that by applying a simple scientific approach and critical mind I am once again found to be more learned about the heliocentric spinning ball religion than some of its followers.

From Dr Alastair Gunn

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sci...-circular/amp/
I wonder if you actually understand what you've read. Because this seems to have little bearing or resemblance to your previous statement:

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Craters, being circular with an evenly distributed bowl shape usually (always?) appear to have had an "impact" perpendicular to the surface, certainly in the case of the moon. This immediately calls into question the argument these are all caused by objects impacting as we would expect to see elliptical craters where the object has struck at an angle for instance. The shape lends itself better to an electromagnetic disturbance being the cause.
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12-24-2019 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 1&onlybillyshears
Really? Care to cite some of these elliptical images, as I have just asked for? Generic Google search doesn't wash here. I want actual image of moon with source supplied etc.

As I said, I can see with a basic telescope "craters" on the moon of circular shape.
You just cited an article that acknowledges elliptical craters. I think that's good enough for me. But if you would like, you can stare at the moon yourself and take pictures, and then present the evidence of circular craters. Please be certain to have careful measurements to verify circularity.
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12-24-2019 , 11:19 AM
Also, LOL at this:

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Did you not know about the vaporising? Have you never read a comic book?
Everyone gets the *best* science from comic books!
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12-24-2019 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 1&onlybillyshears
Really? Care to cite some of these elliptical images, as I have just asked for? Generic Google search doesn't wash here. I want actual image of moon with source supplied etc.

As I said, I can see with a basic telescope "craters" on the moon of circular shape.
LOL. Actual images don’t wash?

1. Please debunk every single google image. Specifically, not as a group.
2. Please observe every single crater in existence then come back to us to debunk elliptical craters.
3. Please prove what you see through your telescope is accurate. Satan can put any image he wants into those things.

Still waiting to hear what you think causes craters.
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12-24-2019 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
I wonder if you actually understand what you've read. Because this seems to have little bearing or resemblance to your previous statement:
Let's be honest you had no idea either that they are "caused" by a vaporising massive heat fireball etc. You can't get away with asserting such gibberish but apparently the higher the qualification the more outlandish the claims become. Doctors of science claiming "causation" without any hint of experiment should ring at least some alarms. I doubt it.
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12-24-2019 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
Also, LOL at this:



Everyone gets the *best* science from comic books!
Merry Christmas
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12-24-2019 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bluto
LOL. Actual images don’t wash?

1. Please debunk every single google image. Specifically, not as a group.
2. Please observe every single crater in existence then come back to us to debunk elliptical craters.
3. Please prove what you see through your telescope is accurate. Satan can put any image he wants into those things.

Still waiting to hear what you think causes craters.
It would be easier to present one verified image.
You cannot determine cause in a scientific context, which is our context, without a properly performed experiment. It's over and any so called scientist asserting anything different is a fraud and you should be calling them out.
You can get the same effect using electrical discharge which is a valid and plausible explanation ie it does not depend on pieces of rock hurtling through second law of thermodynamics violating regions impacting impossible spheres covered by or made of gas creating absurd amounts of heat generated by vaporising massive bits of iron that just happen to be orbiting by means of the bending of a conceptual medium a giant ball of gas. In a vacuum.
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12-24-2019 , 01:07 PM
Just so I’m clear, you need a certified photo, with a clear evidentiary trail/provenance, yet you’re owning us with word salad? Narcissism is a thing yall.
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12-24-2019 , 01:22 PM
Yes I'm owning you. You are asking me for the cause when cause cannot possibly be determined.
My question was about elliptical craters, whether they exist and how prevalent they are. I have since found they are apparently very rare as the vast majority of oblique "impacts" (and we can assume the vast majority of "impacts" are oblique, correct?) apparently cause a circular crater because the effect is caused by an explosion. Cool story right. I am interested as to what "very rare" means. I would like an image of just one and to compare this to a circular crater to try to determine if they can reasonably be assumed to be of the same nature as a circular one. Of course this is futile for the reasons stated but I am interested in exploring how much of this is based on assumptions having been programmed into our collective consciousness. We all just seem to know that craters are caused by meteors despite having very little understanding of what is actually being asserted by our pseudo science priests.
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12-24-2019 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 1&onlybillyshears
Yes I'm owning you. You are asking me for the cause when cause cannot possibly be determined.
My question was about elliptical craters, whether they exist and how prevalent they are. I have since found they are apparently very rare as the vast majority of oblique "impacts" (and we can assume the vast majority of "impacts" are oblique, correct?) apparently cause a circular crater because the effect is caused by an explosion. Cool story right. I am interested as to what "very rare" means. I would like an image of just one and to compare this to a circular crater to try to determine if they can reasonably be assumed to be of the same nature as a circular one. Of course this is futile for the reasons stated but I am interested in exploring how much of this is based on assumptions having been programmed into our collective consciousness. We all just seem to know that craters are caused by meteors despite having very little understanding of what is actually being asserted by our pseudo science priests.
Please tell us more of what QAnon has told you.

You’re not “owning” anyone, because no one is seriously debating with you about how craters are formed.
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12-24-2019 , 04:49 PM
I had to look up QAnon Tbh. Terrible stereotyping which to be fair to yourself is typical of the level of discussion in basically any forum anywhere today. People are incapable of reasoning based on the information being presented, leaps are made to pigeon hole the conjured adversary into a pre conceived box easily labelled and dismissed. A means of avoiding cognitive dissonance, never entertaining an idea that just might contradict a held belief.
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12-24-2019 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 1&onlybillyshears
People are incapable of reasoning based on the information being presented, leaps are made to pigeon hole the conjured adversary into a pre conceived box easily labelled and dismissed. A means of avoiding cognitive dissonance, never entertaining an idea that just might contradict a held belief.
So true... so very, very true...
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12-24-2019 , 05:09 PM
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I am interested as to what "very rare" means.
It's like a 2 outer on the river.

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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
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Survey results [] suggest that approximately 5% of all kilometer-sized craters formed on Mars, Venus, and the Moon have elliptical shapes.
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12-25-2019 , 07:41 AM
2 outer happens ALWAYS. And the survey results from Narnia, what do these suggest? It's almost as if, like almost as if 5% of 90 degrees is like 4.5 degrees so like that would be a wheely shallow angle but anything >4.5 degrees is an auto circle, like just auto circular! This is amazing, a freak of nature. Like quads every hand.
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12-25-2019 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 1&onlybillyshears
I had to look up QAnon Tbh. Terrible stereotyping which to be fair to yourself is typical of the level of discussion in basically any forum anywhere today. People are incapable of reasoning based on the information being presented, leaps are made to pigeon hole the conjured adversary into a pre conceived box easily labelled and dismissed. A means of avoiding cognitive dissonance, never entertaining an idea that just might contradict a held belief.
The irony
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12-25-2019 , 01:15 PM
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I had to look up QAnon Tbh. Terrible stereotyping.
You literally believe there’s a conspiracy to hide the “truth” about the make up of the universe. What bigger conspiracy theory could there be?
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12-25-2019 , 01:51 PM
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You literally believe there’s a conspiracy to hide the “truth” about the make up of the universe. What bigger conspiracy theory could there be?
Fwiw, on Dec 12th of last year in qpost #2622, qanon (which is a psy-op), was asked during an "ask me anything" session specifically if the earth is flat and the answer was "no".


Also I'd like to submit a photo for certification. Picture taken by me on the 11th of October, 2016 in the central US.
I don't think "certified photos" are necessary btw. Decently sure the craters are mapped and known.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 12-25-2019 at 02:03 PM.
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12-25-2019 , 02:49 PM
Good pic. All looking circular from here.

Check this one out:



Spoiler:
In laboratory experiments using electric arcs, plasma physicist C. J. Ransom produced the craters in the above photo. This cratered surface duplicates many characteristics of planetary geology.


Also explains in this article that electric discharge fits very well with many other observations of craters.

But here's the rub

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The similarity between craters on cosmic bodies and craters in the lab does not prove that the craters seen in space were created by electric arcs.
https://www.thunderbolts.info/webnew...riccraters.htm

But it's a considerably more compelling argument than anything mainstream pseudoscience has to offer on this subject.
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12-26-2019 , 01:39 AM
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Good pic. All looking circular from here.
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12-26-2019 , 11:54 AM
Just for fun, here's a 1962 paper that catalogs that locations of craters on the moon, including locations so that others can look them up. They have a specific note for elliptical craters (*1) that the were able to detect with the technology of the time

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=19630002477

And here's a database of 1.3 million craters. I didn't bother downloading the database to see the structure of the data and determine if they note anything about the geometry of the craters. with craters of smaller size, it's less likely to be able to measure deviations of shape.

https://astrogeology.usgs.gov/search...e_robbins_2018
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12-27-2019 , 06:58 AM
Of course we are not rotating broohahaha



Oh wait wtf distances are preserved exactly as rotation expects...


But of course with the minor exception if you do it 6 months later for only a few of them exactly as a bigger distribution of distant stars would expect ... I wonder why?

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