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02-01-2019 , 11:23 PM
Where did the first matter come from? How could it have always been there? And if something created it, what created the creator?

I can't wrap my brain around this ****. If you try too hard you'll just go insane. Anyone feel like they have a grasp or can explain this? Isn't it an impossibility?
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02-01-2019 , 11:28 PM
There is only some thing. A no thing is an impossibility.
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02-01-2019 , 11:35 PM
why is it impossible for nothing to have ever existed
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02-01-2019 , 11:43 PM
A no thing is some thing - a concept.

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02-02-2019 , 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by VeeDDzz`
A no thing is some thing - a concept.
If a concept is something, wouldn't nothing preclude a concept?
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02-02-2019 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by John21
If a concept is something, wouldn't nothing preclude a concept?
Impossible to preclude some thing.

There is only some thing.
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02-02-2019 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Balls deep
Where did the first matter come from? How could it have always been there? And if something created it, what created the creator?

I can't wrap my brain around this ****. If you try too hard you'll just go insane. Anyone feel like they have a grasp or can explain this? Isn't it an impossibility?
By “Why is there something?” I assume you mean something like “What is the cause of something?” It sounds a little flippant, but why not? In other words, why should something require a cause to exist?
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02-02-2019 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by VeeDDzz`
Impossible to preclude some thing.

There is only some thing.
That's a little too cryptic for me. And I'm very cryptic.
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02-02-2019 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by John21
That's a little too cryptic for me. And I'm very cryptic.
Impossible to prevent some thing from existing. Some thing has always and will always exist.

Instead, a meaningful question is:

Why this?

My flavor of the month answer:
Because...

infinity.

Lazy, I know.

Satisfies nevertheless.

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02-02-2019 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by VeeDDzz`
Impossible to prevent some thing from existing. Some thing has always and will always exist.

Instead, a meaningful question is:

Why this?

My flavor of the month answer:
Because...

infinity.

Lazy, I know.

Satisfies nevertheless.
So: Necessarily, something exists (?)
Something along the lines of an infinite regress of states that couldn’t have failed to exist? I guess something like that is possible, but I don't see how we get there from the mere fact that something exists.
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02-02-2019 , 02:01 AM
Nothing exists concurrently with all the material somethings so an "either/or" explanation is not applicable. All matter will eventually end up in super massive black holes and these black holes will eventually fizzle out leaving a void of nothingness. Since space/time ends when matter enters a black hole and a new Universe is born out the other side of a black hole that means new Universes are continually being born out of nothingness.
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02-02-2019 , 05:25 AM
Ask yourself the opposite question, OP, and it will become apparent.
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02-02-2019 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by John21
So: Necessarily, something exists (?)
Something along the lines of an infinite regress of states that couldn’t have failed to exist? I guess something like that is possible, but I don't see how we get there from the mere fact that something exists.
Close.

More like... infinity demands some thing.

Picture a circle. Picture pi. Within infinity there will be a bunch of numbers that make sense.
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02-02-2019 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Balls deep
Where did the first matter come from? How could it have always been there? And if something created it, what created the creator?

I can't wrap my brain around this ****. If you try too hard you'll just go insane. Anyone feel like they have a grasp or can explain this? Isn't it an impossibility?
The 'explanation' has been pondered by the smartest people our species has produced since the very beginning. It may be that we are simply not smart enough and will never come to a definitive answer. There are those who put their hopes that a 1,000,000+ IQ AI (which may or may not be possible) will be able to reach the answer. As it stands now there are theories aplenty, you can go to youtube and occupy yourself watching cosmology and theoretical physics vids as much as you care to and you'll find many explanations.

As for me, I've watched the vids, read the books, and I've taken the 'go insane' route bec I've come to the conclusion that all of this is an illusion.

You can youtube that one also.
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02-02-2019 , 04:23 PM
Nothing was busy at the time being something when the opportunity to become something can up and so something became something because nothing was unavailable.

Or language is why nothing is even something we can talk about.
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02-03-2019 , 07:18 AM
Wait a min, Black holes are not what they all think. Wait for my position on this when finished. A surprise is waiting all of us inside and it is not a singularity. Hawking radiation and information loss paradox explanations are a bit or a lot wrong because of it.

No new universe is created inside. Nothing singular is happening inside. And it is the reason nobody has detected small or microscopic ones. Yes you heard it here first. It is all connected. The fact of why you havent seen small ones is connected to what goes on inside.

Black holes will die also and emit things out but in such a long time that maybe the entire game is different by then. How long is 10^67* (M/Ms)^3 years haha? Imagine now how long it is for a super galactic one if the formula is correct. It isnt by the way. Oh yes it isnt because it relies on the place it all fails plus it ignores the universe, inside which such a system has to exist, which keeps feeding it all kinds of things that increase its mass even into the very deep future!

The universe exists as is because it can only exist or not at all. We have this discussion because it can exist like that.

What creates it is a paradox because we do not understand cause and effect in the absence of geometry but we want to insist on it. The laws of physics create it and the laws can exist like that or not because it is all a closed solution system to the problem what and how can something exist. Existence has properties that are self consistent eventually. Megaverse or not to be determined, the question cannot be escaped. It is indeed one thing that exists because its the only thing that could ever exist and logic itself is the creator.

Math and Physics are unified eventually.

There is only a particular way that something can exist. It exists because its possible to exist that way as it is self consistent. There is no nonexistence solution because there is nothing to verify nonexistence. Nonexistence of a universe is not possible.

Why does it exist? Why that way? Because there was no other choice given the laws of logic and math. The whole game has just one solution. If something can exist this is it. It does because the solution exists and these are its properties gradually revealed to us. The game is the most beautiful thing because demanding existence results in all this. You cannot have math without nature.

We may be witnessing only one aspect of what can exist and greater solutions are available but the master solution has everything eventually. All that is self consistent can exist. Do not ask me to describe to you the solution. We are only beginning to witness the beauty that is behind it all, a beauty our senses and human condition tried to hide for so long. We will have it one day.

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02-03-2019 , 07:30 AM
Why does any paragraph other than your last one exist
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02-03-2019 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by masque de Z
The universe exists as is because it can only exist or not at all.
To be or and not to be, that is the question.
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02-03-2019 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by John21
To be or and not to be, that is the question.
Not to be is not an option. The only option is whether to be here and now or some other place and time.

The latter option is a gamble however. There's no guarantee that wherever you end up will be any better than where you are now. The gamble is made safer only when you're stuck in an agonising situation that seems to have no end in sight; a situation where you'll take being anywhere over where you are presently.
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02-03-2019 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Why does any paragraph other than your last one exist
Bec masque would explode if he were limited to a single paragraph?
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02-03-2019 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Balls deep
Where did the first matter come from? How could it have always been there? And if something created it, what created the creator?

I can't wrap my brain around this ****. If you try too hard you'll just go insane. Anyone feel like they have a grasp or can explain this? Isn't it an impossibility?
Maybe only pure energy existed before any matter came about and some of it was transformed to matter. Maybe the universe will become 100% pure energy again. Hawking (RIP) and I were discussing before his passing so I cant take full credit for it (not really).
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02-03-2019 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by VeeDDzz`
Not to be is not an option.
"Nature isn't classical, dammit!"

To be (1)
[and]
Not to be (0)
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02-04-2019 , 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Why does any paragraph other than your last one exist
Because a massive breakthrough is in the first few that will open the floodgates for the very question of why that way and a promise of unification of math and physics in the center that is the ultimate question in my opinion ie how can math and physics be in fact just one!

What is inside the black holes and why hawking radiation eventually fails at some level is a massive surprise that has nothing to do with infinite curvature and singularity theorems that break down on the way to the center. There is no center. A new state of matter exists inside and it is the only way information is preserved because it is still a non-singular quantum system that interacts with horizon with a part of trapped no classically escapable space-time above it.

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02-04-2019 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Pokerlogist
Maybe only pure energy existed before any matter came about and some of it was transformed to matter. Maybe the universe will become 100% pure energy again. Hawking (RIP) and I were discussing before his passing so I cant take full credit for it (not really).


Maybe....
Spectrality. Nothing and something exists in a weird spectrum where the evidence of nothing presents as something else on the spectrum. Like a word or number.
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02-04-2019 , 06:12 PM
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