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Old 02-04-2012, 08:58 PM   #1
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NYTimes OpEd - How to Fight the Man

I thought this was an interesting piece. It seems like a fitting general commentary about the current state of "youthful rebellion" today.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/03/op...-man.html?_r=1

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For generations people have been told: Think for yourself; come up with your own independent worldview. Unless your name is Nietzsche, that’s probably a bad idea. Very few people have the genius or time to come up with a comprehensive and rigorous worldview.
Yes, the example used by the author is an RGT topic, but the actual content of the essay is not.
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:21 PM   #2
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Re: NYTimes OpEd - How to Fight the Man

Warning: I am writing from an Amerocentric perspective. When I talk about protest, I am explicitly talking about "protest in the United States."

Nice article.

I have a related pet-topic. Advances in communications have made it very easy for the young to express their rage to large audiences (Occupy, or the example given in this article). I'm worried about this. I think that Facebook / Youtube / etc are inadequate mediums to resolve conflict. I believe the corporate incentives of these companies (Google / Facebook / Twitter) are partially opposed to those seeking intellectual discourse and change.
My favorite example of Facebook's inadequacy is the lack of a "dislike" button. Facebook obviously has no incentive to allow users to "dislike" potential advertisers and make investing in a Facebook presence a risky endeavor (at any moment, you are at risk of being disliked in the event of a scandal / PR disaster).

That being said, I don't even know how much of a problem the issue addressed in the article is.

I'm sure one could argue that the low barrier to entry for protest will cause protest to be so amorphous to as be useless - but I actually don't even know what the value of protest is! I wasn't alive during the 60s, and in my lifetime (I'm in my mid to late 20s), I have never witnessed anything I would consider a successful protest in the US.
It's plausible that the feedback mechanism of social protest has been severed from policy for the last several decades. (again, I don't have evidence of this, and would appreciate input from a political scientist / historian / someone older). It also plausible that protest is no longer successful due to a plethora of reasons, such as the absurdly high quality of life / cunning adaptions of policy makers / new communication technologies / or that our government has actually improved. After all, we have a volunteer army and have ended Jim Crow.
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:24 PM   #3
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Re: NYTimes OpEd - How to Fight the Man

I was looking forward to hating this article but it ended up being all moderate. Obviously the problem isn't that people are thinking for themselves but that they're uninformed. Understanding the established points of view and figuring out which parts of them you like and which parts you don't is part of thinking for yourself.
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:33 PM   #4
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Meh, I sometimes find that challenging people on their beliefs and getting a "I am a neo-anarcho-syndicalist with a postmodern tolstoy aesthetic" just as silly as those who say "**** if I know, but this government is ****".
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Old 02-04-2012, 11:28 PM   #5
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Ummm. This has been the state of affairs for about the entire history of humans.
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Old 02-05-2012, 06:00 AM   #6
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For generations people have been told: Think for yourself; come up with your own independent worldview. Unless your name is Nietzsche, that’s probably a bad idea. Very few people have the genius or time to come up with a comprehensive and rigorous worldview.
I don't agree with this. Time is provided in your teens. It only takes a couple of years of constant questioning and puzzling things out. And you certainly don't need genius to come up with a rigorous and defensible worldview entirely on your own. You just need to be above average intelligence, intellectually curious, and tolerant of uncertainty.

Nietzsche did a terrible job of thinking for himself. He had heart but limited intelligence.
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Old 02-05-2012, 05:07 PM   #7
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Arab Spring. Others can elaborate.
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