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10-04-2010, 08:22 PM
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Re: Mitchell Heisman - 1900 page Suicide Note
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Originally Posted by lagdonk
I also wonder how famous this 'suicide event' will eventually become (in certain circles) as a cultural phenomenon -- or if it'll just fade away beneath next week's headlines.
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Doesn't everything basically fade into next weeks headlines?
I don't expect it to be thought of as much more than a crazy suicide note (see: ryanb's posts) in the media; although it almost certainly is more than that.
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10-04-2010, 08:30 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Mitchell Heisman - 1900 page Suicide Note
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
Doesn't everything basically fade into next weeks headlines?
I don't expect it to be thought of as much more than a crazy suicide note (see: ryanb's posts) in the media; although it almost certainly is more than that.
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Well, there is the chance that after assorted academic and cultural eminences read over his work, some kind of consensus is reached that this man made a significant and profound contribution to the pantheon of 'cultural criticism' and continental-style social theory. Add to that the lurid poignancy of his suicide as a "willed death" or "experiment in nihilism" intended to test his hypotheses, and he might have the makings of a pop intellectual icon.
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10-04-2010, 08:46 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Mitchell Heisman - 1900 page Suicide Note
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
Doesn't everything basically fade into next weeks headlines?
I don't expect it to be thought of as much more than a crazy suicide note (see: ryanb's posts) in the media; although it almost certainly is more than that.
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His first sentence (conveniently found on page 15) is a red flag for paranoia.
Edit: The entire first section shows a lot of paranoid thought.
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10-04-2010, 09:03 PM
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old hand
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Re: Mitchell Heisman - 1900 page Suicide Note
"It is not unreasonable to think that this work will not be judged on its merits." (last sentence of his intro paragraph)
I am not unfamiliar with litotes, but it is not unstupid to continue reading.
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10-04-2010, 09:07 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Mitchell Heisman - 1900 page Suicide Note
I'm on page 50! Not reading at least this far is criminal.
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10-04-2010, 09:12 PM
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old hand
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Re: Mitchell Heisman - 1900 page Suicide Note
reads like sokal hoax imo
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10-04-2010, 09:38 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Mitchell Heisman - 1900 page Suicide Note
I think there's a fine line in the world of continental-style academic social theory between dead-end, jargon-laden gibberish and Nietzsche-esque epigrammatic riffing and handwaving that generates thought-provoking nuggets and insights. To me, the 2% of "Suicide Note" I've read so far is closer to the latter than the former.
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10-04-2010, 09:58 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Mitchell Heisman - 1900 page Suicide Note
[QUOTE=smrk;21991710I am not unfamiliar with litotes, but it is not unstupid to continue reading.[/QUOTE]
This was not a bad use of the word "litote" in a sentence.
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10-04-2010, 09:59 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Mitchell Heisman - 1900 page Suicide Note
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick
This was not a bad use of the word "litote" in a sentence.
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litotes
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10-04-2010, 10:18 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Mitchell Heisman - 1900 page Suicide Note
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Originally Posted by lagdonk
I think there's a fine line in the world of continental-style academic social theory between dead-end, jargon-laden gibberish and Nietzsche-esque epigrammatic riffing and handwaving that generates thought-provoking nuggets and insights. To me, the 2% of "Suicide Note" I've read so far is closer to the latter than the former.
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It actually isn't that badly written. A little too pseudo-intellectual, but that is forgivable. Unfortunately, it is, as Jeeves would say, "fundamentally unsound," however.
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10-04-2010, 10:25 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Mitchell Heisman - 1900 page Suicide Note
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
litotes
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Ye , you have caught me in a pelling error. I ee your point.
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10-04-2010, 10:42 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Mitchell Heisman - 1900 page Suicide Note
Sorry, thought it was another American mistake. spelling dont matter.
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10-05-2010, 02:36 AM
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journeyman
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Re: Mitchell Heisman - 1900 page Suicide Note
I do not think it is a bad reading in general, but ~200 pages i skimmed through did not quite convince me of investing the time needed for the other 1700.
The part about Jesus/early Christianity is provoking, and somewhat amusing but far from being novel/brilliant. Plus a lot of that part is more scandalizing then actually intelectually provoking. (I mean i do not hate this whole Rome's symbolic rape of Judaism interpretation you can read there, but getting into the juicy details 2 times a page does not lead to any big philosophical/historical/"sociobiological" discoveries, just there to make the occasional bigotedly religious reader scream).
The part about Holocaust/Nazi regime i read contained like one or two interesting thoughts but in general i found it a very shallow treatment of the subject.
Anyhow, I really do not think i (or most people actually) will have time/willing for the whole thing, so if anybody finds a part that they think is particularily insightful/discussion worthy, please call our attention to it.
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10-05-2010, 03:59 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Mitchell Heisman - 1900 page Suicide Note
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Originally Posted by lagdonk
Try to sound less bitterly envious, because it's kind of weird that you do!
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It's not about envying the author, but downplaying the story's significance. The length of a suicide note is impressive only to the extent that it can really be considered a suicide note, much in the same way the length of a book isn't interesting if it consisted of many randomly generated characters.
I haven't read it all so maybe it all comes together, but it seems like a collection of the author's thoughts to me.
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10-05-2010, 05:47 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Mitchell Heisman - 1900 page Suicide Note
What I'm saying is it doesn't seem, imo, "good" to give a paper attention because a guy wrote it and shot himself in the face because the guy who wrote it shot himself in the face. A paper on a particular subject "should" , imo, receive attention based on the merits of the paper, not on the fact that the author shot himself.
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