Assuming afterlife, isn't killing people good for them? - Science, Math and Philosophy Forum

For people who believe in afterlife [in this case heaven] wouldn't killing somebody else be the ultimate gift you can give them?

If there is a perfect place to live, wouldn't you want somebody to randomly murder you so you can get there immediately?

If I would randomly go kill everybody I can see and they all go to heaven shouldn't I be rewarded for bringing them all eternal happiness?

Basically, person A is a Christian and just had a baby, he kills that baby immediately cuz our world sucks compared to heaven. Person A did a very good thing to the baby, but he will end up in Hell, what gives?

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04-10-2008 , 07:19 PM

goosty

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The god in the bible says that killing is sinful. He wont appreciate it.

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04-10-2008 , 07:28 PM

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The god in the bible says that killing is sinful. He wont appreciate it.

But wouldn't you want to be randomly killed and be in heaven tomorrow as opposed to 50 years on this **** hole [respectively].

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04-10-2008 , 07:33 PM

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But wouldn't you want to be randomly killed and be in heaven tomorrow as opposed to 50 years on this **** hole [respectively].

No. But i don't believe in god.
If i did i would view the world in such a different way that i can imagine almost welcoming such an act that would bring me to my maker.

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04-10-2008 , 07:36 PM

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No. But i don't believe in god.
If i did i would view the world in such a different way that i can imagine almost welcoming such an act that would bring me to my maker.

That's my point. People should be saying "Im having a heat attack plz dont save me I wanna go to heaven" not "omg im ****ing dying."

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04-10-2008 , 07:41 PM

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That's my point. People should be saying "Im having a heat attack plz dont save me I wanna go to heaven" not "omg im ****ing dying."

I assume that one that is as sure of heaven as of his on reality should feel this way yes. Neither should they feel any grief for their loved ones that they leave behind since they will soon be reunited in heaven.
How can you not be drawn to it?

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04-10-2008 , 08:08 PM

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It's an interesting point.

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04-10-2008 , 08:15 PM

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here's another interesting point. Would it not be the ultimate altruistic action to murder fellow believers? Sure, you would spend an eternity in hell for killing everyone, but you would send all of your victims to eternal bliss. Seems like the ultimate sacrifice.

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04-10-2008 , 08:23 PM

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Sort of pointless no? They are going there sooner or later. Whats the rush?
And for eternal hell?

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04-10-2008 , 08:31 PM

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Sort of pointless no? They are going there sooner or later. Whats the rush?
And for eternal hell?

Only argument against the killing people is good for that I can see is when they're dead they cant have kids so your sending 1 person to heaven but preventing all of their possible children.

At the very least all sterile people should be killed though, doing them a favor and all.

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04-10-2008 , 08:51 PM

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If I would randomly go kill everybody I can see and they all go to heaven shouldn't I be rewarded for bringing them all eternal happiness?

Heaven is not the same for everyone. If you lead a better life you will have greater reward in heaven. For instance if you kill Muhamed before he gets a chance to martyr himself, he may only get 1 virgin (possibly 2 if he kept his hands off the goat while he was alive). If Muhamed gets martryed, he gets 72 virgins. 72 - 2 = 70. So by killing Muhamed you decrease his eternal happiness by 70 virgins.

Also you could make the argument that only God has the right to end someone's life.

Stu

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04-10-2008 , 09:18 PM

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So you get penalized for being randomly murdered, that sucks.

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04-10-2008 , 09:45 PM

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So you get penalized for being randomly murdered, that sucks.

Heaven isn't an entitlement like medicare. Its obvious you're a democrat.

Stu

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04-10-2008 , 09:57 PM

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Religion and logic are too big a couple to live under the same roof, one has got to go

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04-10-2008 , 10:06 PM

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Heaven isn't an entitlement like medicare. Its obvious you're a democrat.

Stu

How do you know what Heaven is like?

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04-10-2008 , 10:07 PM

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Heaven isn't an entitlement like medicare. Its obvious you're a democrat.

Stu

i'm assuming this was said in a stephen colbert-like tone. in which case lol nh.

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04-10-2008 , 10:09 PM

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Yes it is good for them and that's why I killed all those people.

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04-11-2008 , 02:05 AM

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How do you know what Heaven is like?

Mr. Nye

I can tell you all about Heaven....and Hell for that matter. You see I have friends in both places.

Stu

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04-11-2008 , 06:36 AM

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Wouldn't the classic response to this be, that all the crap here before the wonderous afterlife lets us appreciate the eternal bliss more. So in stead of outright shooting people, you have to captivate and torture them first. Much better.

No wait..

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04-11-2008 , 08:15 AM

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That's my point. People should be saying "Im having a heat attack plz dont save me I wanna go to heaven" not "omg im ****ing dying."

most people arent trully faithful. if they were they would welcome death with open arms. if people really felt that there were a heaven life on earth would be meaningless. its the fear of the unknown that makes them cling to life.

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04-11-2008 , 08:29 AM

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whats the chances of this holding up in a court of law

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04-11-2008 , 11:20 AM

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Don't you have to kill a baby pretty much right after it was born because it hasn't had a chance to sin yet? Wait... You should really kill it while still in the womb. Abortion really is the answer.

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04-11-2008 , 11:30 AM

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we can postulate all we want, no one has any has an any idea of what an actual afterlife would be like. i wouldn't rely on any religious beliefs for an idea, nor would i speculate with them. the closest thing to get to an afterlife at this moment is NDE's, and purhaps some OBE's.

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04-11-2008 , 12:20 PM

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Jesus H. Christ! Is this a serious question? Only a devout scientist could find this a reasonable valid question. In that case I'd suggest Christians to kill their children before they reach the adult age, because children are always welcome in God's kingdom.

Be sure to kill them all in the name of your God, that way you can clear yourself and send the sinner to hell, and the good to heaven and away from the sinners. Be sure to leave no orphans behind.

Horrible, nasty logic, good for nothing. Look at how many jews that righteous Hitler reunited in heaven.