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Old 12-13-2011, 08:04 AM   #1
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LHC Higgs Boson Search Update

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Old 12-13-2011, 08:16 AM   #2
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Re: LHC Higgs Boson Search Update

Guardian doing 1 minute updates here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...cle?intcmp=122
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Old 12-13-2011, 08:53 AM   #3
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Re: LHC Higgs Boson Search Update

126 GeV excess with 2.3 sigma.
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Old 12-13-2011, 05:12 PM   #4
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Re: LHC Higgs Boson Search Update

More details here

http://www.atlas.ch/news/2011/status...-dec-2011.html
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Old 12-13-2011, 07:18 PM   #5
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126 GeV excess with 2.3 sigma.
If you had to guess, how likely (%) do you think this is the Higgs ?
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Tempting fate but like 99%+?
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Old 12-13-2011, 10:12 PM   #7
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If you had to guess, how likely (%) do you think this is the Higgs ?
If it means that it is the Higgs within 2.3 standard deviation and assuming the data is normally distributed:

1-2*(1-normcdf(2.3,0,1)) = 0.978551779956648

(hope math checks out).

For reference, 5 sigma:

1-2*(1-normcdf(5,0,1)) = 0.999999426696856
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Old 12-13-2011, 10:46 PM   #8
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Re: LHC Higgs Boson Search Update

Is there a video up somewhere of the presentation? Looked on goggles and the youtubes but found zip.
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Old 12-14-2011, 01:18 AM   #9
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Tempting fate but like 99%+?
...probably the only odds I've heard so far that I would take on this not being the Higgs.

But seriously, i think the real experts** are being a bit too nitty here. There have been instances in the past of being burned on 3 sigma results that were "expected" (the people I've talked to who were active in the mid 80s love telling me that they were watching SUSY/top quark 3 sigma bumps disappear before I was born) but this is the Higgs...we have a ton of theory and data telling us it exists, so much of the phase space has been eliminated we have 2 separate bumps that granted, might not perfectly match.....but I would lay 3:1 on this being confirmed as the first higgs observation eventually.

**Of course I can't really complain about this. That is what experts should do. If somebody came up with a "3 sigma" proof of Grothendiecks standard conjectures or the generalized Hodge Conjecture I would be yelling from the roof tops about all the ways it could fail.

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Old 12-15-2011, 02:01 AM   #10
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Re: LHC Higgs Boson Search Update

So only 1 out of 35 trillion collision events producing a Higgs.....hmmm not a long shot you say!
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So only 1 out of 35 trillion collision events producing a Higgs.....hmmm not a long shot you say!
This shows a good deal of misunderstanding about how it works.
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Old 12-15-2011, 12:37 PM   #12
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So only 1 out of 35 trillion collision events producing a Higgs.....hmmm not a long shot you say!
Yes...if the rates where much, much higher it couldn't be standard model Higgs.
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Old 12-15-2011, 05:33 PM   #13
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Re: LHC Higgs Boson Search Update

Can someone explain to me what the Higgs is in a way that's not incredibly vague. I've heard the statement that it "couples to particles to give them their mass" or something similar repeatedly, but I have no idea what that means, in spite of the fact that I understand the basics of QCD/QED and the very basic concepts behind the standard model.
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Old 12-15-2011, 06:19 PM   #14
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Can someone explain to me what the Higgs is in a way that's not incredibly vague. I've heard the statement that it "couples to particles to give them their mass" or something similar repeatedly, but I have no idea what that means, in spite of the fact that I understand the basics of QCD/QED and the very basic concepts behind the standard model.
I think the problem is that no one knows exactly what the Higgs boson is, so no one can really give you a good explanation.
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Old 12-15-2011, 08:54 PM   #15
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Can someone explain to me what the Higgs is in a way that's not incredibly vague. I've heard the statement that it "couples to particles to give them their mass" or something similar repeatedly, but I have no idea what that means, in spite of the fact that I understand the basics of QCD/QED and the very basic concepts behind the standard model.
Well, the Higgs boson is a 0 spin 0 charge particle with mass around 125 GeV. So what it "is" isn't much different from any other fundamental particle...how it is involved in electroweak symmetry breaking and causes the W/Z to have mass is more complicated.
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