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Old 02-06-2012, 08:59 AM   #16
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Re: I'm having a problem with falsification, how is it actually valid?

Grunch: Essentially run a double blind. E, e, R, r. Textbook Mendel. How many combinations are there in rabbit DNA? And could you be able to discern a timeline with a quantum Monte Carlo sieve? (Or assorted sieves, variations of Erastoshenes...)
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Old 02-07-2012, 01:51 PM   #17
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Re: I'm having a problem with falsification, how is it actually valid?

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The problem with this view is the one you bring up here. According to the arguments of Quine and physicist Pierre Duhem, any observation can be made consistent with a scientific hypothesis if you change enough of your background assumptions. Thus, it would seem that you can't falsify any particular hypothesis by appeal to empirical observations because the hypothesis can be made consistent with those observations if you change enough of your background assumptions.
Good point. Folks need to realize that we are not falsifying the hypothesis in a vacuum, rather we are falsifying a proposition that consists of the hypothesis and set of assumptions. When we change anything in the {hypothesis + assumptions} we now have a new proposition.

This is made pretty obvious when someone gives justification for why the seeming falsification does not invalidate the hypothesis.

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An interesting question is the rate at which bad propositions can be correctly discarded relative to the size of the entire proposition space.

It seems that humans use heuristics (intuition, common sense) start the process by sorting the proposition space from most likely to be true to least likely to be true.

The cool scientific discoveries are things that in the recent past were considered to be unlikely to be true. E.g. special relativity.

Presumably there is some non-null set of propositions which are today considered ridiculous that are actually true.
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Old 02-09-2012, 03:01 AM   #18
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Re: I'm having a problem with falsification, how is it actually valid?

Isn't it called moving the goal-post? I don't see how its relevant b/c you can just lie too. I mean we can do lots of dishonest stuff but that doesn't need to be brought up when talking about falsification.
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Old 02-09-2012, 03:20 AM   #19
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No, because such deception is not necessarily conscious. It still has to be explored, identified, and accounted for though.
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Old 02-09-2012, 04:00 AM   #20
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No, because such deception is not necessarily conscious. It still has to be explored, identified, and accounted for though.
The word for that is bias IIRC. And again, bias is a bitch but why does she need to be brought up when talking about falsification?
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:05 AM   #21
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Indeed she is.

If you're building an educational module in setting legal precedent, you have to identify individual bias within the process.

No one theorem, collection of laws, or whatever invites falsification is static. Absolute morality doesn't exist, for instance.
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:01 PM   #22
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Indeed she is.

If you're building an educational module in setting legal precedent, you have to identify individual bias within the process.

No one theorem, collection of laws, or whatever invites falsification is static. Absolute morality doesn't exist, for instance.
Are you just venting now?
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Old 02-10-2012, 03:29 AM   #23
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Nah. Having a laugh at the disparity.
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Old 02-10-2012, 10:02 PM   #24
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Re: I'm having a problem with falsification, how is it actually valid?

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Are you just venting now?
He kinda just makes random posts in every topic, you can ignore.

As for falsification and moving goal-posts, science wouldn't work very well if every time observations disagreed with the theory we abandoned it. Whatever theory is current is going to be founded on the basis of quite a lot of information, and only after repeated findings that contradict the theory as well as slight alterations of the theory are people going to be willing to look for a new theory.

Again I'd recommend reading Kuhn or basically any philosophy of science after Popper.
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He kinda just makes random posts in every topic, you can ignore.

As for falsification and moving goal-posts, science wouldn't work very well if every time observations disagreed with the theory we abandoned it. Whatever theory is current is going to be founded on the basis of quite a lot of information, and only after repeated findings that contradict the theory as well as slight alterations of the theory are people going to be willing to look for a new theory.

Again I'd recommend reading Kuhn or basically any philosophy of science after Popper.
people with real conviction don't flip flop merely because they have new evidence

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