Life emerged so that VIX futures could be traded. This is clearly true because it would be senseless for VIX futures to exist if no one were around to trade them.

We haven't found signs of life outside earth yet. That will continue to speak for uniqueness as the years go by, until potential sudden: boom!

Question is how unique is spot on.

Which are the bottlenecks? Stars burning out was mentioned. Development of smartness another, partly interconnected with the former. For some reason I have a tendency to respect the original starting out, and will be a bit surprised if we find any kind of life elsewhere.

Why hasn't anybody conquered the Universe already? Maybe we will take 'control' of the Milky Way and the rest with a speed of 0.1-0.99 the speed of light?

Let's search for inorganic evolution leading to organic. Tenfold funding to labs trying to create artificial life and making IDA simulations. The future is computers. History is the orgin of life. We need to know our history (or I do )

If I had to guess I would say that it started when a small pond was struck by lightning.

A chain reaction that could be selected against would probably be enough to get it all going.

This has no scientific backing that I know of.

If one of the ideas was correct, it would be pretty easily and quickly reproduced, no? Is there some environment in early earth that we don't yet have the technology to reproduce?

wtf would that be?

We have almost reached Big Bang ffs.

I don't think its the environment that is difficult to reproduce, but the time.

You can't do a 100 million year experiment in an afternoon.

Edit: Besides that would only tell you what could have happened, not what did happen. History not science.

I was responding to him with a question not making a statement. He seemed to have implied that this is the case.

Why not? Just use 1 trillion times the concentrations alternatively enzymes fastening it up one trillion times. Then simulate diluting them to probable earth-like proportions on a computer. But create life to begin with.
We could be able to find it's a possible, even probable way. A hypothesis. Definitively science, among if not THE most important scientific question there is, imo, as a representant of a non-dead entity. Deadness looks to be the default. How did our astonishing aberration come around? In class with how the universe itself came around. Having to choose which I'd like to see answered before I cease to exist as a living entity I'd take the former though.

Evolution is just history, not science? Ha-ha.

Ha-ha.

I'd like for example masque's opinion itt.

As the OP, maybe I can ask for regulated trolling.

I'd like to welcome also non-hard boiled guys. Hemingway was hard boiled, his end wasn't nice.

A perspective of mine some of you might have yet to consider:

Intelligent life from beyond earth found a planet (earth) that was capable of harvesting intelligent life. They proceeded accordingly and started evolving life in a certain way to further along whatever objective they have.

Somehow humans are now here. Seems like their plan may be working. Maybe to harvest very intelligent life that can help them further along their understanding of existence.

Earth could have been found a couple million years ago by them, after life began but pre human. They could have created their most advanced being (the human) and allowed the human to proceed as it has. A possibility, seeing as there isn't another type of organism remotely close to us in regards to intelligence. Also, it's hard to comprehend that we came from apes, seeing as I don't see any half human, half ape beings. You would think, based on natural selection, that there would be some sort of evolutionary process we could observe. Instead of like it is now: ape, right to human. You'd think a hybrid ape/human would exist, a natural selection work in progress. Any thoughts on this ape/man evolution would be appreciated.

Most likely they would be trying to see how we evolve and what we produce. Seems reasonable to assume they are allowing us to do our own thing (based on how chaotic the world is) instead of micro managing everything that happens here.

They could be humans as well, just experimenting on a new planet to see if earth's humans evolve in a different way. New societal structure, belief systems, new ways of approaching things, different lines of thoughts with experiments, etc.

Maybe they are monitoring our progress, randomly intervening or not at all. Maybe they started us off and left, one day planning to come back and see what we turned into.

If they are monitoring our progress, they could be waiting to take control once we become a potential threat to them. Maybe quantum mechanics studying at our current level is worrisome to them. Potential super weapons might be created (beyond nukes, or whatever our best stuff is now a days), leading them to want to intervene before we get that far with knowledge.

Maybe they aren't allowing us to proceed with quantum mechanics, deciding to manipulate how we perceive the date we collect. Not allowing us to learn certain things. Maybe this could explain the observer effect? They want to see how our civilization proceeds without allowing us to learn certain things. It seem likely that understanding quantum mechanics may have some profound results, potentially leading to us stopping the ageing process, giving us total control of DNA manipulation, heavy duty altering of the atmosphere. Things they don't want us to proceed to just yet. Or never.

Very exciting time to be alive in my opinion.

It seems like if this were true, that we are this smart that they put blocks in to stop us proceeding in certain directions, we may be of significant interest to them right now. They may have not anticipated this, planning to come back in 3 million years instead of 2. Figuring that it's super unlikely we'd grow this fast based on whatever calculations they used. Maybe we can bypass said blocks someway, figuring things out that they don't want us to, before they get here. Would we even want to do that? Defend ourselves so we don't get completely dictated to, or make sure that we are in no way a threat to them to prevent any potential war. This may be an interesting topic.

They could have a relay system that notifies their main base to send the troops over to take control of us before we reach a certain knowledge threshold. We may be right there. Planning to redirect us, maybe merge with them.

They could be on there way here now and not know what to expect when they get here. Will we be a threat to them when they arrive? They should assume that the possibility is there, if there intention was to try and create very intelligent life.

I think where we are at in our current knowledge base, the next 50 years may be very interesting depending on what we figure out. I know if we humans here were capable of grooming intelligent life on another planet, we most likely would.

Or it could be just one big experiment, humans here being created by intelligent life just to see what happens.

Could we have been planted here by computers? As the last resort for organic life? Maybe they even left all of this universe to us, moving on to others, maybe better ones? That's why we can't see them?

Definitely possible. They could be mass spreading organic life as fast as they can. Just a create and leave approach. They may also be spending more time at certain areas then others depending on what they are interested in.

You *******s had to go without masque's post because of your trolling.

Mat? Mike?

Zeno?

No Kumbaya, imo.

Would it be soft if nobody was around to pet it?

FYI

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...25&postcount=1

Opinions?

I don't know why anyone would start a thread in ATF about a poster that has voluntarily decided to take a break. Masque like Bruce is probably in a better place not posting here.

They should both come back. Bruce behaved badly, have to admit that, when he was provoked. masque? No. In the end of the day, masque has a lot to offer. The *******s taking lightly on this are *******s. Or need somebody to take an initiative.

He was provoked after posting badly but we really do not need to do this again. Masque got pretty gently trolled by Aaron and split, he's still able to post but I reckon you need a better metric for offer than word count.

He has been trolled along the way.

Why is the SMP Unfriendly?


For staying on topic: dereds, any opinion about IDA? Will try to formulate my view after the opinions here and the PM's.

Probably in water with heat and chemistry but for all the bollocks I talk it's clear I'm not really a science guy.

Being chastised for being inconsiderate isn't trolling.

http://earthsky.org/earth/3-7-billio...how-early-life

It is unlikely that this was even the first life. Ocean vents can support much simpler organisms than those that photosynthesize.

Lol gently trolled. That's a funny narrative.

Life was gently trolled into existence...

Your friendly, I'm friendly. We're here. We got something that doesn't need excuses or narratives and so does masque and whoever else.

Why spend time telling other people how to post in thread after thread after being given clear signals to stop? It's unfriendly. Makes sense friendly people won't like it.

Masque, full of ideas certainly has reason to fill posts, but do his critics...?