|
|
| Science, Math, and Philosophy Discussions regarding science, math, and/or philosophy. |
07-15-2012, 01:45 AM
|
#61
|
|
veteran
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 2,127
|
Re: I do not undersatnd how to apply "synthesized happiness"
Quote:
Originally Posted by chezlaw
Your right about things usually being wrong but this is like the Socrates part of Plato's stuff. Pirsig doesn't go wrong until Lila.
|
It is on my reread list.
Quote:
|
Easily done. Like time travel the problem we face isn't doing it its not doing it.
|
Luckily, it barely registers as a problem at all. We change. We travel through time.
Wondering about a world in which we didn't is, I guess, for some, interesting. I am luckily kept busy enough dealing with reality to not worry too much about how things would be different if things were different.
Quote:
|
mad as a hatter but I dont hold that against him. Pirsig was stark raving mad as well.
|
I'd say "young" instead of mad as a hatter. A self-limiting condition.
Quote:
|
I can kinda understand pople who symapthise with cancer cells. Its probably a mistake though.
|
I sympathise with my competition in business and find them to be fine upstanding people for the most part.
Of course, we are all trying to eat the same lunch, so I crush them like bugs (which I also sympathise with to some extent) when the opportunity presents itself. I expect the same from them.
Quote:
|
No I bloody well dont*. I cant believe anyone smart can work in the health industry and not see how much damage QA does without contributing anything much that wasn't already being done.
|
I am lucky enough to not have to worry about such things, but what is needed is nervous sorts who live by strict rules.
That only works on the sub-genius. Many tools are necessary to make sure that the smart people are properly motivated.
Even then, the really smart ones seem to slack off as much as possible.
Quote:
|
Moderation in all things including moderation.
|
This is misleading. Most people don't understand "moderation" to mean understanding how to apply moderating variables.
So, it might be correct to moderate behaviors that have negative side effects. It is never correct to moderate behaviors that have only positive effects.
Quote:
|
* I may have misunderstood you. I've nothing against people with OCD and they may well be very useful people but not if they work in QA.
|
They are best at doing jobs in which rigid rule following is essential. The job of the smart non-crazy people is to give them good rules to follow.
|
|
|
07-15-2012, 01:57 AM
|
#62
|
|
veteran
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 2,127
|
Re: I do not undersatnd how to apply "synthesized happiness"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Muck McFold
Half glass full/empty? More like Depressive realism
|
Depressive realism is just the fact that depressed people are good at certain problems of probability assessment than non-depressed people.
They are horrible at solving nearly every other problem.
Particularly those problems about predicting the long-term consequences of today's annoyances.
Your electricity going out is not particularly important.
|
|
|
07-15-2012, 07:54 AM
|
#63
|
|
Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: London
Posts: 17,184
|
Re: I do not undersatnd how to apply "synthesized happiness"
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
It is never correct to moderate behaviors that have only positive effects.
|
I'd dispute that except arguing about operators on the empty set is a bit dull
Quote:
|
They are best at doing jobs in which rigid rule following is essential. The job of the smart non-crazy people is to give them good rules to follow.
|
The smart non-crazy people mostly keep out of the way. There are far too many reasons why mediocrity rules in big companies, the biggest probably being that smart people have better things to do.
|
|
|
07-15-2012, 10:39 AM
|
#64
|
|
veteran
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,039
|
Re: I do not undersatnd how to apply "synthesized happiness"
Quote:
Originally Posted by chezlaw
Moderation in all things including moderation.
|
You can't give an example of this.
|
|
|
07-15-2012, 10:53 AM
|
#65
|
|
Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: London
Posts: 17,184
|
Re: I do not undersatnd how to apply "synthesized happiness"
Quote:
Originally Posted by newguy1234
You can't give an example of this.
|
A man walks into a bar and the barman says "is this a joke?"
|
|
|
07-15-2012, 11:18 AM
|
#66
|
|
veteran
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,039
|
Re: I do not undersatnd how to apply "synthesized happiness"
Quote:
Originally Posted by chezlaw
A man walks into a bar and the barman says "is this a joke?"
|
not sure what you mean by this but the sentence below is complete error....
Quote:
Originally Posted by chezlaw View Post
Moderation in all things including moderation.
|
edit: maybe you are saying you were joking in the first place and i missed the joke.
|
|
|
07-16-2012, 03:12 AM
|
#67
|
|
veteran
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 2,127
|
Re: I do not undersatnd how to apply "synthesized happiness"
Quote:
Originally Posted by chezlaw
I'd dispute that except arguing about operators on the empty set is a bit dull
|
I find that "enjoying oneself" makes the set not empty. Any really smart person will find a way of doing that unless they are insane.
Quote:
|
The smart non-crazy people mostly keep out of the way. There are far too many reasons why mediocrity rules in big companies, the biggest probably being that smart people have better things to do.
|
It has nothing to do with companies (big or small). The really smart people, as you say, probably have better things to do.
|
|
|
07-16-2012, 05:35 AM
|
#68
|
|
Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: London
Posts: 17,184
|
Re: I do not undersatnd how to apply "synthesized happiness"
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
I find that "enjoying oneself" makes the set not empty. Any really smart person will find a way of doing that unless they are insane.
|
Moderatord have to act on activities not outcomes.
Quote:
|
It has nothing to do with companies (big or small). The really smart people, as you say, probably have better things to do.
|
The dynamics of big are frequently different to the dynamics of the small and it has a lot to do with big companies (and other big groups).
|
|
|
07-16-2012, 07:57 AM
|
#69
|
|
banned
Join Date: May 2011
Location: -EV
Posts: 974
|
Re: I do not undersatnd how to apply "synthesized happiness"
Quote:
Originally Posted by newguy1234
yes but hes not suggesting you are smart enough to teach them that.
.
|
I dont have to be smart, all I have to do is regurgitate what Dan Gilbert said, no real effort on my part.
Quote:
|
I'm not saying that its fine they tell you that but an electric company doesn't have emotions.
|
Okay, fine then change electric company to "anybody I owe money to"
Quote:
|
reality isn't depressing if thats what you just said.
|
Reality isn't depressing to "who"?
Quote:
|
I didn't agree with the video though, I think its silly to use quotes of people talking about how happy they are as supporting evidence.
|
Thank you.
Quote:
|
Anyways, he's saying that its not unpaid bills that causes your unhappiness, its your thoughts on believing you can and will pay them, which ultimately means that trying to 'fix' your happiness is the cause of your unhappiness.
|
So dont pay my bills? What are you trying to say?
Quote:
|
I guess another example is being in jail for life with infinite appeals that you will use daily, but you don't know that every one is rigged to be rejected....that would be physiological hell. But being in jail with no hope for parole would be peaceful in that sense.
|
Then go try it and report back.
Quote:
|
But this all is subject to the debate on what happiness is. And before you try to apply this I think you need to define that.
|
apparently happiness is the act of smiling accordingly to what others are saying in the thread.
Quote:
|
We strive to bring happiness to ourselves but that striving can never be anything other than unhappiness. Or in other words striving for happiness is the source of our unhappiness.
|
Yes, yes Will to meaning
Quote:
|
If that meant anything to you we can move on and talk about what would actually happen if you didn't pay your bill and whether or not the consequences should bring you unhappiness.
|
I dont get it. But on that note, I have started not to pay my bills and started to give my money away to family members because I no longer have that desire for money anymore, I see having money more of a curse now. Its never my money anyway, I'm just a middle man, it passes through my hands like water, as soon as I get its...........its gone, like a magic trick I have become quite good at it and have nothing to show for it.
|
|
|
07-16-2012, 08:28 AM
|
#70
|
|
banned
Join Date: May 2011
Location: -EV
Posts: 974
|
Re: I do not undersatnd how to apply "synthesized happiness"
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
Depressive realism is just the fact that depressed people are good at certain problems of probability assessment than non-depressed people.
They are horrible at solving nearly every other problem.
Particularly those problems about predicting the long-term consequences of today's annoyances.
Your electricity going out is not particularly important.
|
So what is important?
|
|
|
07-16-2012, 08:38 AM
|
#71
|
|
banned
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: madnak's biggest fan
Posts: 304
|
Re: I do not undersatnd how to apply "synthesized happiness"
I found that TED talk interesting Has anyone got any criticisms over it? I'm not really sure how to apply this either =/
|
|
|
07-16-2012, 08:45 AM
|
#72
|
|
banned
Join Date: May 2011
Location: -EV
Posts: 974
|
Re: I do not undersatnd how to apply "synthesized happiness"
I tell you how to be happy, settle for less, lower expectations, dont compare one thing to another, *what you have to what you have not", or *what you would have got*, work less, spend less, sleep more, eat less, reduce the value of things, things are overvalued, people are overvalued, emotions are overvalued, family is overvalued, that way you wont miss it when its gone.....
|
|
|
07-16-2012, 09:58 AM
|
#73
|
|
banned
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: madnak's biggest fan
Posts: 304
|
Re: I do not undersatnd how to apply "synthesized happiness"
That strikes me as a bad strategy.
|
|
|
07-16-2012, 01:33 PM
|
#74
|
|
veteran
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,039
|
Re: I do not undersatnd how to apply "synthesized happiness"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Muck McFold
I dont have to be smart, all I have to do is regurgitate what Dan Gilbert said, no real effort on my part.
|
This may or may not produce results tho
Quote:
|
Okay, fine then change electric company to "anybody I owe money to"
|
Sure but you still may not be able to get them to understand
Quote:
|
Reality isn't depressing to "who"?
|
Reality unclouded by thought, isn't depressing, it has no negative things in it (or positive).
Quote:
|
So dont pay my bills? What are you trying to say?
|
This video wasn't about not paying your bills, its about letting go of thoughts of what could or should be.
Quote:
|
Then go try it and report back.
|
(this comment was about peace in jail). Do you feel that we are free? I think we are def in a jail.
Quote:
|
apparently happiness is the act of smiling accordingly to what others are saying in the thread.
|
I don't really agree with them either.
Somewhat, but really the will to meaning is a search performed because the mind is unfullfilled. To fullfill it won't bring peace and its not really possible. But the trick is to end the search. He seems to think that would bring meaninglessness, but I'd argue society taught him that and really it would bring 'peace'.
Quote:
|
I dont get it. But on that note, I have started not to pay my bills and started to give my money away to family members because I no longer have that desire for money anymore, I see having money more of a curse now. Its never my money anyway, I'm just a middle man, it passes through my hands like water, as soon as I get its...........its gone, like a magic trick I have become quite good at it and have nothing to show for it.
|
I also was gonna suggest earlier that by starting this inquiry you will get some of these things, to me this last paragraph shows that, or maybe you are being sarcastic, but your view on money is proper I think. Its a superstition, will need to admit it.
My point would be pay your bills or don't, it shouldn't effect your soul. We can worry about these things enough to juggle them but it should not shake us to our core. Nobody said we have to do anything, nobody said we are supposed to succeed. There are no rules, we are allowed to be happy with mediocrity. We are not worse in the eyes of some god if we default our financial statements. Our peers may look down upon us but really they can't see past their own blinders.
Then we can trace these stresses, if I don't pay my bills, I lose my power so? I lose my house, I live on the street, I can hold a job, I can't get a wife, I can't have a family, I can't retire, I can't feel success, I won't leave a mark...etc. These things don't come with you when you die, why should there stresses bring us down. Can we trace this to anything that actually matter? I think we'll find nothing matters, and thats the concept that meditation uses to bring about a tranquil mind.
|
|
|
07-16-2012, 01:40 PM
|
#75
|
|
veteran
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,039
|
Re: I do not undersatnd how to apply "synthesized happiness"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Muck McFold
I tell you how to be happy, settle for less, lower expectations, dont compare one thing to another, *what you have to what you have not", or *what you would have got*, work less, spend less, sleep more, eat less, reduce the value of things, things are overvalued, people are overvalued, emotions are overvalued, family is overvalued, that way you wont miss it when its gone.....
|
Reminds me of these things...
Quote:
Bruce Lee's notes:
The perfect way is only difficult for those who pick and choose. Do not like or dislike then all will be clear.
Be a doll made of wood
Freedom discovers man the moment he loses concern over what impression he is making or about to make.
In Buddhism, there is no place for using effort. Just be ordinary and nothing special.
Never precede others, always follow them
|
Quote:
Fat Mike Nofx Lyrics
I will never feel the ribbon break
I will never taste sweet victory
I don't want to leave the rest behind
I don't want inscription on a plaque
Never first or second place
I won't ever run your rat race
I will always be lower than you
I won't be your competition, lowest
Totem pole possition is where I'd rather
Stay than be like you.
I don't feel the animal instinct
I am not on the top of the food chain
The only battle I will fiercely fight
Is one that hibernates inside my head
Be the best, climb the ladder
Do it better, higher, faster
I refuse to participate
If I go up it will be slow
Im bringing everyone I know
Stopping on the sixth or seventh rung
On a pedestal, isn't the view great
You better watch your step, cause it's nasty fall
When there's no one to catch you when you call.
|
|
|
|
| Thread Tools |
|
|
| Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:52 PM.
|