Quality is the nuts.

Its become a swear work due to the moronic cancer of quality assurance but real quality is the key. (see Zen and the art of motorcycle mantenance)

Also the difference in happiness attained between drinking mass produced hyped up muck heavily and drinking high quality alcoholic drinks heavily is beyond explanantion.

I'm learning that compartmentalization is important to happiness, especially when that mechanism is broken. For example, I've been obsessing lately about this GODDAMN STUPID HVAC CONTRACTOR, sorry, but then I realized that my whole life has become about my air conditioner, and that's just plain dumb. I think the key to compartmentalization is to view your life as being comprised of many components at the same time, rather than a series of time periods each occupied by a single issue.

You talking about SEI levels, and 6-sigma, and the like? Yeah, that's a steaming pile of crap.

I find it amazing to be alive.


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Selection bias. You can only find it amazing because you are alive.

Nevertheless.


PTB

I tend to have the same sort of preference for quality over quantity for most things, but understand that some people don't, and I certainly don't have that preference ordering for all things.

For the things that I have an above average appetite, quantity tends to trump* quality.

I, apparently took the book a bit differently. I took it as dealing with finding a middle/combined ground between cold facts and warm fuzzies.

As far as QA is concerned, I am all for it. It gives the ocd people something to do.

I tend to agree mostly, but it is nice to slum it in all things from time to time.

*to mix card game metaphors.

I meant it as a descriptive list of methods people seem to use, rather than genuine advice.

My real point is that most people find a way of getting by and there are many methods.

This is true, but is, in a way, taking the easy way out.

One can have a nice sandwich at the same time as being aggravated by (I'm guessing) and incompetent and unresponsive contractor.

Or, you can focus on what you want to focus on, if you are so inclined.

You are both very much correct.

Quality is not about prefering the finest. Pirsig spends ages banging on about quality, its a state of mind/approach to the world not a property of objects.

Except that the things it gives them to do, they do to us. and I dont equate OCS with that particular type of low-middling intelligence.


Of course, its good to get some high quality slumming in.

OK - It has been a while since I read it. I distantly remember finding it entertaining. Also, interesting. Also, probably wrong, but I don't remember why other than that such things are usually wrong.

The problem at hand whether that state of mind/approach thingy is something that can be altered effectively. It definitely changes over time, but so does height, and it is difficult to alter height without taking extraordinary measures.

It is certainly possible that OP is just a glass half full sort of person, and any advice to him that he should be happy is just ignorant or mean.

Well, there is that. Overall, I think it is a wonderful thing that those low on the totum pole are subjected to such indignities. It motivates the smarter of them to move up, which (if they are really smart) they wouldn't without the push.

And 5s is the epitome of OCD. Nothing more than a manual for justifying it. Of course, OCD is the best type of person for certain jobs. You do want your heart valve manufacturers to be of that type, for instance.

Society always benefits when the smarter among us feel the need to work hard.

Moderation might be the key more than anything else, assuming that too much of a good thing rules of thumb apply.

OK - It has been a while since I read it. I distantly remember finding it entertaining. Also, interesting. Also, probably wrong, but I don't remember why other than that such things are usually wrong.

The problem at hand whether that state of mind/approach thingy is something that can be altered effectively. It definitely changes over time, but so does height, and it is difficult to alter height without taking extraordinary measures.

It is certainly possible that OP is just a glass half full sort of person, and any advice to him that he should be happy is just ignorant or mean.

Well, there is that. Overall, I think it is a wonderful thing that those low on the totum pole are subjected to such indignities. It motivates the smarter of them to move up, which (if they are really smart) they wouldn't without the push.

And 5s is the epitome of OCD. Nothing more than a manual for justifying it. Of course, OCD is the best type of person for certain jobs. You do want your heart valve manufacturers to be of that type, for instance.

Society always benefits when the smarter among us feel the need to work hard.

Moderation might be the key more than anything else, assuming that too much of a good thing rules of thumb apply.

Your right about things usually being wrong but this is like the Socrates part of Plato's stuff. Pirsig doesn't go wrong until Lila.

Easily done. Like time travel the problem we face isn't doing it its not doing it.

mad as a hatter but I dont hold that against him. Pirsig was stark raving mad as well.

I can kinda understand pople who symapthise with cancer cells. Its probably a mistake though.

No I bloody well dont*. I cant believe anyone smart can work in the health industry and not see how much damage QA does without contributing anything much that wasn't already being done.

The beauty of debt.

Moderation in all things including moderation.


* I may have misunderstood you. I've nothing against people with OCD and they may well be very useful people but not if they work in QA.

Half glass full/empty? More like Depressive realism

K I watched it.

this isn't an example

suggesting to yourself things could be worse, in order to synthesize happiness sounds like your old dogma and script, but I did not get that point from the video

This is because we associate happiness with smiling because we usually smile when we are happy. So smiling releases happy chemicals etc, just like if something happened to make you smile

I have a feeling if this was the case you wouldn't get the surgery. This wouldn't stimulate anything though because your muscles wouldn't be firing. Electric stimulus would prob help, just like on the brain.

again wrong example, wrong application imo

winning the lottery makes you happy in the moment (and a short while after), having a whole bunch of money for a longer period of doesn't sustain this. They aren't the same type of example thats all.

yes but hes not suggesting you are smart enough to teach them that.


I'm not saying that its fine they tell you that but an electric company doesn't have emotions.

Its not human

reality isn't depressing if thats what you just said.

I didn't agree with the video though, I think its silly to use quotes of people talking about how happy they are as supporting evidence.



Anyways, he's saying that its not unpaid bills that causes your unhappiness, its your thoughts on believing you can and will pay them, which ultimately means that trying to 'fix' your happiness is the cause of your unhappiness.

I guess another example is being in jail for life with infinite appeals that you will use daily, but you don't know that every one is rigged to be rejected....that would be physiological hell. But being in jail with no hope for parole would be peaceful in that sense.


But this all is subject to the debate on what happiness is. And before you try to apply this I think you need to define that.

We strive to bring happiness to ourselves but that striving can never be anything other than unhappiness. Or in other words striving for happiness is the source of our unhappiness.


If that meant anything to you we can move on and talk about what would actually happen if you didn't pay your bill and whether or not the consequences should bring you unhappiness.