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08-17-2010 , 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Quicksilvre
there are plans for telescopes that can image planets to such a resolution that even continents are visible.
Source? That level of detail hardly seems believable.
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08-17-2010 , 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Hardball47
Source? That level of detail hardly seems believable.
When you get embarassed in RGT, don't admit your error, just go surf SMP!

Standard theist behavior. Do you guys have a manual?
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08-17-2010 , 03:25 AM
You're following my posts to harass me? That's damn creepy.
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08-17-2010 , 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Quicksilvre
Spectrograph analysis will allow us to figure out (eventually) what kind of atmospheres these planets have, and in the new couple of decades there will be a new class of telescopes that will allow us to photograph these planets directly in a manner way beyond what we have now--there are plans for telescopes that can image planets to such a resolution that even continents are visible.
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Originally Posted by Max Raker
Get the **** out.......... seriously? That would beyond amazing
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Originally Posted by Hardball47
Source? That level of detail hardly seems believable.
ditto, in a recent thread stu pidasso mentioned interferometry when I asked about it, but I couldn't find anything on google that made specific predictions about possible resolutions.
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08-17-2010 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Hardball47
You're following my posts to harass me?
No, I just read each forum on its merits and happened to see this thread (ironically, because you bumped it). I don't make a terrible post in one section, and then hide in another, like some people.
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08-18-2010 , 07:40 AM
To directly image large surface features on (big) rocky planets within a few tens of pc of Earth would require a space based observatory - either a single primary of order several kilometres in diameter, or equivalently an array of hundreds of ~5m telescopes. There are no near term plans for such a facility, to my knowledge. All near future missions (JWST/SIM/Kepler/TPF etc) dont come close to being able to do this.

There is one idea I saw recently that is indirect but really quite cool - to use 'planetshine' - basically, find an expoplanet with a moon, and image the moon to look for changes in its brightness from reflected light from continents vs oceans on the 'host' planet.
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08-18-2010 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
No, I just read each forum on its merits and happened to see this thread (ironically, because you bumped it). I don't make a terrible post in one section, and then hide in another, like some people.
Link me to the thread your talking about. And btw you haven't seen anything yet, check out the SMP book thread lolz.
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08-18-2010 , 04:47 PM
Looks like rize found a sidekick? After you boys have had your fun, feel free to stop the witch hunt.
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08-18-2010 , 09:39 PM
This thread is about the Kepler Mission; an important and exciting scientific inquiry. Make an effort to not trash the thread with infantilism. Thanks.

-Zeno
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08-11-2011 , 09:57 PM
Kepler Mission found "darkest planet":

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/ke...ain/index.html


From above link:



Cambridge, MA - Astronomers have discovered the darkest known exoplanet - a distant, Jupiter-sized gas giant known as TrES-2b. Their measurements show that TrES-2b reflects less than one percent of the sunlight falling on it, making it blacker than coal or any planet or moon in our solar system.

“By combining the impressive precision from Kepler with observations of over 50 orbits, we detected the smallest-ever change in brightness from an exoplanet: just 6 parts per million,” said astronomer David Kipping of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA). “In other words, Kepler was able to directly detect visible light coming from the planet itself.”



Full press release link, August 11, 2011:

http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/2011/pr201121.html


-Zeno
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12-05-2011 , 09:03 PM
Kepler Mission has confirmed a new found planet within "habitable zone" with a sun similar to the orb that keeps a pleasant 93 million miles from Earth.

Press Release information:

http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1...one/index.html


A portion of the article from the link above is presented below:



NASA’s Kepler mission has confirmed its first planet in the “habitable zone,” the region where liquid water could exist on a planet’s surface. Kepler also has discovered more than 1,000 new planet candidates, nearly doubling its previously known count. Ten of these candidates are near-Earth-size and orbit in the habitable zone of their host star. Candidates require follow-up observations to verify they are actual planets.

The newly confirmed planet, Kepler-22b, is the smallest yet found to orbit in the middle of the habitable zone of a star similar to our sun. The planet is about 2.4 times the radius of Earth. Scientists don’t yet know if Kepler-22b has a predominantly rocky, gaseous or liquid composition, but its discovery is a step closer to finding Earth-like planets.

Previous research hinted at the existence of near-Earth-size planets in habitable zones, but clear confirmation proved elusive. Two other small planets orbiting stars smaller and cooler than our sun recently were confirmed on the very edges of the habitable zone, with orbits more closely resembling those of Venus and Mars.

“This is a major milestone on the road to finding Earth’s twin,” said Douglas Hudgins, Kepler program scientist at NASA Headquarters in Washington. “Kepler’s results continue to demonstrate the importance of NASA’s science missions, which aim to answer some of the biggest questions about our place in the universe.”

Source: redOrbit (http://s.tt/14A4c)


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12-05-2011 , 09:21 PM
Average temp of 72 F, pretty solid. If only there were a reasonable way to bridge the 600 ly gap.
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12-05-2011 , 11:59 PM
Average temp doenst mean anything though. 72 F + 300 F on monday, 72 F - 300 F on tuesday = fail, right?
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12-06-2011 , 12:17 AM
It's certainly a start. I don't know what the ranges are.
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12-06-2011 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Ryanb9
Average temp doenst mean anything though. 72 F + 300 F on monday, 72 F - 300 F on tuesday = fail, right?
It clearly means something, if the average was +/-300 it's much less likely to be uninhabitable.
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12-07-2011 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by wazz
It clearly means something, if the average was +/-300 it's much less likely to be uninhabitable.
He said "the average temp is 72" and i said "isnt that meaningless?" if anything if i read average temp of 72 i would think it is less inhabitable than if i heard "average temp of 72 +/- 300." Because if it was more inhabitable, they would state the +/-.
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12-07-2011 , 04:32 PM
There is no way in hell a planet positioned at a radiation temperature ~300k distance from a star very similar to ours with even a bit of atmosphere like mars (and if denser even better) that rotates with frequency from days to hours (around its axis) and which has year of about 300 earth days experiences fluctuations of the size methioned in doubting its advantageous setting. Even Mars that has thin atmosphere doesnt have over 100K fluctuations in most of its locations. Anything closer in distance that rotates in a way that exposes different areas of the planet to the star as it rotates (not locked i mean to have rotational period around axis same as around the star) and has even a bit better atmosphere, as clearly a rocky world with larger gravity than Mars (which prevents atoms or molecules from escaping fast) would probably enjoy, ought to have fluctuations that are more realistic and less aggressive. Worse case scenario is some CO2 dense world like Venus that is too hot. But even Venus doesnt have wild fluctuations like that , its just hot thats all.

To have such wild fluctuations you need a total lack of atmosphere. I doubt a planet with the type of earth's radius or up to 3 times larger indicating a g of that of earth or up to 2-3 times larger, doesnt have some atmosphere to regulate the day night effects. Once you have a rotation of no more than few days and atmosphere the conditions are ideal for temperatures near 300K indeed (close to earth +- 50 i say or less).

My point is that its not impossible to imagine a total lack of atmosphere and a very slow rotation around the axis to make nights and days last very long and therefore produce a very hot bright surface and a very cold dark one but its not the probable choice. The choice somewhere in between period of 1 day and 300 days (around its axis) and some level of atmosphere that s the typical choice will eliminate such wild fluctuations. Typically you do not have them is all i say.
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12-07-2011 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryanb9
He said "the average temp is 72" and i said "isnt that meaningless?" if anything if i read average temp of 72 i would think it is less inhabitable than if i heard "average temp of 72 +/- 300." Because if it was more inhabitable, they would state the +/-.
habitable is what i meant, i think, .... im confused with the double negatives now.
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12-08-2011 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by AKSpartan
Average temp of 72 F, pretty solid. If only there were a reasonable way to bridge the 600 ly gap.
Heh, and hopefully something like this would happen even if such a feat was feasible..

(good short story if you're into SciFi)

http://www.sfwriter.com/stshould.htm
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12-08-2011 , 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by AKSpartan
Average temp of 72 F, pretty solid. If only there were a reasonable way to bridge the 600 ly gap.
Well there is, sort of. We've definitely been making great strides in our ability to at least see far away things. First with telescopes, then ground-based observatories, then Hubble, Spitzer, new Kepler, etc. And it's only going to get better.

So maybe we never get to meet another advanced civilization in person. But if they were to have some sort of internet-type information system used over the open air (like we do), that would be a pretty awesome consolation prize and basically hands us everything we'd want from them. And it's not all that unlikely that at some time in the distant future, some other civilization will be reading about us straight off of our current Wikipedia entries and forum posts.

P.S.: If any future aliens are reading this who have unlocked some form of time travel, please hook me up with some info for investment purposes. With enough cash I'd certainly use my influence to push for the advancement of physics and space sciences and further both of our civilizations. Hook me up with some stock advice or at least a few future Superbowl results please. Thanks for listening.

Last edited by Gonzirra; 12-08-2011 at 04:46 AM.
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12-10-2011 , 01:03 AM
disregarding all other factors but size, does a larger planet mean humans living there would be shorter? A hypothetical Kepler 22-b midget race, if you will?
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12-10-2011 , 01:16 AM
^ because of gravity? larger does not necessarily mean more massive which is what is the factor for gravity. but assuming the planet is larger, and the mass is proportionate, i'd assume the "humans" would be shaped much differently.

it's hard to imagine they'd ever be bi-pedal actually. or they are just incredibly strong.
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12-20-2011 , 03:23 PM
They just found 2 more earth-sized planets in our galaxy, doubling the number from 2 (Earth and Venus) to 4. New planets are way outside the goldilocks zone though.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/21/sc...e-planets.html


NASA’s Kepler Spacecraft Discovers 2 Earth-Size Planets
By DENNIS OVERBYE
Published: December 20, 2011


In what amounts to a kind of holiday gift to the cosmos, astronomers from NASA’s Kepler spacecraft announced Tuesday that they had discovered a pair of planets the size of Earth orbiting a distant star. The new planets, one about as big as Earth, the other slightly smaller than Venus, are the smallest planets yet found beyond the solar system.

Astronomers said the discovery showed that Kepler could indeed find planets as small as our own and was an encouraging sign that planet hunters would someday succeed in the goal of finding Earth-like abodes in the heavens.

Since the first Jupiter-size exoplanets, as they are known, were discovered nearly 15 years ago astronomers have been chipping away at the sky, finding smaller and smaller planets.

“We are finally there,” said David Charbonneau, an astronomer at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, who was a member of the team that made the observations, led by his colleague Francois Fressin. The team reported its results in an online news conference Tuesday and in a paper being published in the journal Nature.

The announcement doubled the number of known Earth-size planets in the galaxy to four from two — Earth and Venus.

The next major goal in the planetary hunt, astronomers say, is to find an Earth-size planet in the so-called Goldilocks zone of a star, where conditions are temperate for water and thus life. The two new planets, called Kepler 20e and Kepler 20f, are far outside the Goldilocks zone — so close to the star, termed Kepler 20, that one of them is roasting at up to 1,400 degrees Fahrenheit — and are thus unlivable.

Although the milestone of an Earth-size planet had long been anticipated, astronomers on and off the Kepler team were jubilant. Geoffrey Marcy of the University of California, Berkeley, another Kepler team member, called the new result “a watershed moment in human history.” Debra Fischer, a planet hunter from Yale, who was not part of the team, said, “This technological feat is incredibly important because it means that the detection of Earth-sized planets at larger distances is technically possible.”

Kepler 20e, the closer and hotter planet, is also the smaller — about 6,900 miles across, or slightly smaller than Venus — and it resides about 5 million miles from its star. The more distant planet, Kepler 20f, also broiling at around 800 degrees, is 10 million miles out from its star. It is 8,200 miles in diameter, about the size of Earth. The two planets are presumed to be rocky orbs that formed in the outskirts of their planetary system and then migrated inward.

Their star, which is also cataloged according to its celestial coordinates in a survey conducted by the California Institute of Technology and the University of Massachusetts as 2MASSJ19104752+4220194, is slightly smaller and cooler than the Sun and is about 950 light years away from us. Kepler had previously found three larger planets around the same star, so the new observations bring the total to five, so far. All the planets are well inside where Mercury would be in our own solar system, presenting a bounteous system of unlivable planets.

“This is Venus and Earth in a five-planet system,” Dr. Fischer said in an e-mail. “There’s no place like home, and the Kepler data are starting to uncover some mighty familiar architectures.”

Kepler detects planets by watching for blinks when they move in front of their stars. Since it was launched in 2009, it has found 2,326 potential planets, 207 that would be Earth-size, if confirmed as the two reported Tuesday have been.

Confirmation of a planet, however, requires additional observations, usually of its star’s wobbles as it gets tugged by the planet going around. The gravitational pull of planets as small as the Earth on their parent star is too small to measure with the current spectrographs. And so the astronomers resorted to a statistical method called Blender, developed by Dr. Fressin and Guillermo Torres of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, in which millions of computer simulations of background stars try to mimic the Kepler signal. They concluded that Kepler 20e was 3,400 times more likely to be a planet than background noise, while the odds in favor Kepler 20f being real were 1,370 to 1.

Confirmed (or validated, as the Kepler team likes to say), they join the other planets already known to orbit the star. One of those previous planets, a Neptune-like giant, lies between the new planets, a surprising configuration that does not occur in our own solar system. In an e-mail, Dr. Charbonneau noted, “In the solar system, rocky worlds and gas giants don’t mingle. But in the Kepler-20 system they apparently do.”
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12-20-2011 , 04:51 PM
If we found an Earth-sized planet in the habitable zone, how good an image can we theoretically get of it?

If we built a telescope specifically to focus on this one point in space, what could we see?
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