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Old 07-01-2012, 01:12 PM   #1
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Hot packets and universe acceleration

Two questions, not really related.

1. Is the acceleration of the expansion of the universe due to dark energy overcoming gravity? Dark energy pushes space apart, and as matter gets spread out, the gravitational force pulling it together lessens, so dark energy romps?

2. Red shift and photons. Some time ago, someone on this board told me that photons themselves have higher and lower energy, or something. The photon that's part of a blue wave will be different from one in a red wave. Ok, so how do we make this consistent with the Doppler effect? Simply by changing perspective from in front to behind a moving object, the wavelength changes, but that would mean that the hotness of the photons themselves would also be relative. Wot.

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Old 07-01-2012, 03:17 PM   #2
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1. Is the acceleration of the expansion of the universe due to dark energy overcoming gravity? Dark energy pushes space apart, and as matter gets spread out, the gravitational force pulling it together lessens, so dark energy romps?
Basically yes. As the universe keeps expanding, dark energy will dominate more and more. In the future, far away galaxies that we can see now will be practically invisible since they will be so red shifted. And it's for the reasons you said....as the matter density goes down gravity becomes weaker but dark energy stays constant.

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2. Red shift and photons. Some time ago, someone on this board told me that photons themselves have higher and lower energy, or something. The photon that's part of a blue wave will be different from one in a red wave. Ok, so how do we make this consistent with the Doppler effect? Simply by changing perspective from in front to behind a moving object, the wavelength changes, but that would mean that the hotness of the photons themselves would also be relative. Wot.
Right...the energy of a photon is observer dependent so if you start moving really fast toward/away from the sun you would observe the photons to be higher or lower energy than what you observe them to be now.
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Old 07-03-2012, 03:34 AM   #3
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Re: Hot packets and unverse acceleration

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-i9GXbptog
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Old 07-03-2012, 10:27 PM   #4
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YES!! I didn't want to post this because I was afraid of messing with a real SMP thread, but I think of it every time I see the thread title.
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Old 07-04-2012, 02:38 AM   #5
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YES!! I didn't want to post this because I was afraid of messing with a real SMP thread, but I think of it every time I see the thread title.
It is a fine and difficult line to walk.

I finally pulled the trigger because it seemed like a worthy thread that was ignored by the physics regulars here Jose Cuervo told me to.
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Old 07-07-2012, 08:01 PM   #6
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Re: Hot packets and unverse acceleration

at rate of acceleration after 50 billion years we will no longer be able to see our neighbor galaxy, due to it traveling much faster than the speed of light. talk about real-estate. is this thread still relevant after the discovery of the higgs boson?
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Old 07-08-2012, 01:15 PM   #7
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at rate of acceleration after 50 billion years we will no longer be able to see our neighbor galaxy, due to it traveling much faster than the speed of light. talk about real-estate. is this thread still relevant after the discovery of the higgs boson?
Can you explain in easy terms how it is possible that the universe will expand faster then the speed of light?
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Old 07-08-2012, 01:59 PM   #8
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Can you explain in easy terms how it is possible that the universe will expand faster then the speed of light?
It's a bit hard to see without just following the math (and somewhat confusing to translate the math into words) but while special relativity places limits on how fast an object/signal can get from point A to point B it places no restriction on how fast space itself can expand between those same 2 points. This might help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_expansion_of_space
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Old 07-09-2012, 12:32 PM   #9
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo

This should answer all your questions OP. Its long but once I started watching it I couldn't stop.
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