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Old 07-15-2012, 02:21 AM   #16
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Re: Is having beliefs about things we don't know stupid?

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Is it stupid to hold beliefs about anything we do not know?
We only know beliefs, and its a belief to think thats not true. The only other thing is total non belief and it can't be 'known'

And as far as whats 'stupid' you have the problem of needing to define intelligence, which itself is also a belief.
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Old 07-15-2012, 07:43 AM   #17
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Re: Is having beliefs about things we don't know stupid?

@NewGuy1234 read some of your links and curious if you agree with post #9 or not because I feel like it's possible we have taken this to a level way past intended by OP and that he was actually looking for an answer with more practical use rather than the base theoretical concepts that must be worked out in order to even attempt to answer his OP.
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Old 07-15-2012, 10:35 AM   #18
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I'm still waiting for someone to classify what "knowing" something means. Some people "know" Jesus Christ is their savior. Other people "know" gravity exists because it's a scientific law. I would disagree that either of them can claim100% certainty, which is what "knowing" means to me. I believe that it's for each individual person to decide when they have enough evidence about something that investigating or questioning the potential it may be untrue isn't worth it.

Are you asking if it is stupid to believe in something if the human mind (or just your mind) isn't capable of logically proving it's existence?


"It is the most important function of art and science to awaken this feeling and keep it alive in those who are receptive to it.

The cosmic religious feeling is the strongest and noblest reason for scientific research." -Albert Einstein
There is nothing we can 'know' or prove with out a doubt to be true. All our axioms are based on false foundations. We don't know the sun will come up tomorrow, we don't know what goes up must come down. We don't know if this exists.

What Einstein didn't realize is that his theories themselves were relative. They are both true and not true.

The only knowing is an unknowing of everything, then what is left is something that cannot be falsified or corrupted etc. The rest is a sillyness based on things like A = A. The truth is A really = X
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:43 AM   #19
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Re: Is having beliefs about things we don't know stupid?

It's about probabilities, or perceived probabilities. It's impractical to reserve the word "knowing" only for "100% certain knowing (meaning 100.000...)" because that doesn't exist. Maybe 95-99.9% is enough for saying you "know" something. In everyday speak you are more careless.

Beliefs and knowledge are frequently mixed up though. Having a belief in something is necessary, but I think believing the one and same thing no matter what is constraining. Let the knowledge "creep in".

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Old 07-16-2012, 12:06 PM   #20
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Re: Is having beliefs about things we don't know stupid?

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Is it stupid to hold beliefs about anything we do not know?
Not necessarily it is always going to depend on details. Like how we define stupid, belief and knowledge, and what it is we are knowing.

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Is the word belief just that a word to make communication and life easier?
It is decisions that matter. Beliefs are tools minds uses to make decisions, their level of success is dependant on how these resultant decisions effect the organisms viability.

One can conceive of plenty of situations where belief in something that is false leads to better decisions for the organism.
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Old 07-22-2012, 10:52 AM   #21
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Re: Is having beliefs about things we don't know stupid?

It depends on your definition of the word 'believe'. If you, for instance, say you believe in a multiverse, you could mean different things with that. You could mean that you think it is likely or that a multiverse is a plausible theory, or you could mean you regard the multiverse to be a fact. The latter would be stupid yes. Regarding statements to be true facts without those statements meeting their burdon of proof is stupid. Having theories or plausible explanations while understanding there is a certain amount of uncertainty to them is not stupid, it is just meaningless.
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Old 07-27-2012, 07:00 PM   #22
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Re: Is having beliefs about things we don't know stupid?

It's not stupid, rather it's a necessity. Trick is to recognise it as so, and not go on cognitive tangents.
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Old 07-27-2012, 10:56 PM   #23
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Re: Is having beliefs about things we don't know stupid?

Everything is a probability. You need to make a choice. Otherwise, you cannot act.
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Old 07-28-2012, 06:57 PM   #24
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Everything is a probability. You need to make a choice. Otherwise, you cannot act.
This was great. I wrote a paragraph trying to say exactly this but didn't come up as accurate or pithy.
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Old 07-28-2012, 08:04 PM   #25
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Am i just not understanding newguys posts or does he just post exclusively semantic arguments ? Not trying to knock u and feel free to reply but it seems like u always kinda derail threads with semantic arguments way more than any1 else on here/
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Am i just not understanding newguys posts or does he just post exclusively semantic arguments ? Not trying to knock u and feel free to reply but it seems like u always kinda derail threads with semantic arguments way more than any1 else on here/
He's probably bitter and confused with life, hopefully this apparent phase will be one of many bricks to build a more solid foundation.
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Old 07-28-2012, 09:30 PM   #27
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Re: Is having beliefs about things we don't know stupid?

I believe x. Hmm thats arrogant. I believe nothing. Hmm also arrogant. I probably believe nothing. Wait I believe in probably. hmm I probably believe in probability:b
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Am i just not understanding newguys posts or does he just post exclusively semantic arguments ? Not trying to knock u and feel free to reply but it seems like u always kinda derail threads with semantic arguments way more than any1 else on here/
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He's probably bitter and confused with life, hopefully this apparent phase will be one of many bricks to build a more solid foundation.
I don't know any of you 3, but I hate you both after reading this and I don't know why.
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Old 07-29-2012, 06:31 PM   #29
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Re: Is having beliefs about things we don't know stupid?

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I think a better word to use would be assume.

My brother asked me is my car going but I haven't driven it since yesterday and left it parked on my drive way. So I don't know if it is or not since the time I parked it up.

A better example would be is my wife cheating on me?
Assume is a better word but not the best.

Everything should be thought of in terms of probabilities. Then you act based on them. But you don't always assume the most likely posibility when choosing that action.

How is that not obvious to the readers of a poker website?
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Old 07-29-2012, 11:45 PM   #30
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I don't know any of you 3, but I hate you both after reading this and I don't know why.
lol my bad didnt mean to offend any1.
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