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10-18-2015 , 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
I am giving it another go. He is a sadist. Completely different condition. Also a really bad imitation of aloof autism spectrum disorder. Plus fairly deeply introspective. Kind of as if the writers tried to invent a character who was an emaciated obese man who thought he was a type of cheeseburger.

If you want to get really bothered, watch some videos by Sam Vaknin. He is a social ****** who thinks he has narcissism.
Once you get into the taxonomy of bad people you are pretty much over my head. But wouldn't a sadist draw out the pain of the victim with torture? IIRC Dexter, after setting up the forensics wipe, kills quickly and without pleasure, not like my (albeit layman's) understanding of a sadist.
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10-18-2015 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
Once you get into the taxonomy of bad people you are pretty much over my head. But wouldn't a sadist draw out the pain of the victim with torture? IIRC Dexter, after setting up the forensics wipe, kills quickly and without pleasure, not like my (albeit layman's) understanding of a sadist.
If they realistically made him a sadist he would have become to unlikable to root for.
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10-18-2015 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by FeralCreature
If they realistically made him a sadist he would have become to unlikable to root for.
I don't know about that. As long as he was torturing people worse than him maybe the audience would still go for it. I'm thinking making him a sadist would have probably been the better way to go. Although, its probably true that while we admire the implacability and emotional immunity of a psychopath (who wants to be manipulated or have their feelings hurt?), there doesn't seem to be any enviable traits inherent to a sadist.

My pet theory about the emergence of all of these anti heroes (who have what would conventionally be called severe personality disorders) in popular fiction offers a tie in back to the original OP. Our morals/ethics are trying to conform to a economic mode which now rivals our morals/ethics for dominance of our will, wanting to subvert them. In a materialistic/consumer/capitalist culture predicated on military dominance it is easy to lose sight of the utility of being a good person.
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10-19-2015 , 07:25 PM
Compassionate philanthropist buys drug with no substitutes, drops prices 5500%, supplies quickly run out, thousands die
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10-19-2015 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by lastcardcharlie
Don't monopoly laws apply to this kind of situation? If not, why not?
Because some people want drugs and medications to exist
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10-19-2015 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by masque de Z
Pass legislation that a price of a drug that has been settled at some level for many years cannot rise more than 100%-200% (to be determined) per year. That is enough time for the market to counter the trend by producing it more efficiently.

Pass also legislation that those that get the drug and cannot afford it anymore as a result of such raises (with some easy proof of this) deserve an instant refund from a system that is created for that purpose where all drug companies contribute something like 0.1% of their profits (only the profitable ones) to fund it (or whatever very little this ends up being to be estimated properly for those cases that cannot be insured and any hospital that gets in similar trouble).

Pass also legislation to elevate the taxation (nothing huge) of any profitable drug company that raised drug prices (and reduce their taxes if they decreased prices in certain products, so develop a score for the net effect per profitable company based on what they did past year).

Finally avoid all of the above and pass legislation to start building scientific society and end this bs series of problems.
Yes, price controls make sense both in theory and historically in practice with limitless examples.
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10-19-2015 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by mrcnkwcz
For as smart of a guy as you obviously are, you still use these adjectives. Can you not consult Zimbardo and co at the Stanford psych dept (yes, I'm referencing the infamous '71 prison experiment) to get better?
Nice post
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10-20-2015 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by vhawk01
Because some people want drugs and medications to exist
How does the drug market differ from other markets in which monopoly is outlawed?
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10-20-2015 , 09:48 AM
Monopoly isn't exactly outlawed for all drug markets.

Consider the North Andes/Oaxaca state and the coca/cannabis trade. /me shrugs. I mean, price regulation is always maximized to the most productive flow of product, nothing less, nothing more. What happens to it once it reaches the last few stages is well beyond our ken.

What's the difference between patriarchal slavery using "anti-psychotics" designed to tranquilize people and a violent war over territory and revenue? Life is endlessly cheap, and its chemical value closely mirrors its actual real value more than anything else.

At least with the latter economy there's less ambiguity.

Like it or not, if you intake chemicals foreign to your standard biology, they are going to interact and then there's a ongoing symbiosis which expresses itself in behavioral patterns.

I'll stick to hashish and cannabis derivs, thank you. I'm too addicted to pain as it is.
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10-20-2015 , 05:51 PM
Nobody's brought up the point that the drug was already "overpriced" by a factor of 10-20 before captain combover even got involved. The drug- which lost patent protection long, long ago- is available in the UK for less than a dollar a pill and in India for a tenth of that. Even if you're worried about Indian manufacturing quality, UK quality shouldn't be an issue. It was already a failure of the FDA licensing scheme on multiple levels. This guy just dialed it up to 11.
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10-20-2015 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Kristofero
Like it or not, if you intake chemicals foreign to your standard biology, they are going to interact and then there's a ongoing symbiosis which expresses itself in behavioral patterns.

I'll stick to hashish and cannabis derivs, thank you. I'm too addicted to pain as it is.
Brilliant.
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10-20-2015 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by vhawk01
Nice post
Why is it nice post? Exactly what did Stanford prison experiment prove? That in that particular case with that exact set up bad things will happen, especially if you make sure they will, in ways we dont exactly find out, unless we were there.

I would never abuse others from a position of power and nobody can break me as a prisoner either with mental games. Only uneducated low caliber losers allow a tough situation to define them negatively and not positively as a challenge, regardless of ultimate win or loss. If you believe in a strong human that is exactly who you will get as a parent, teacher, mentor and society leader.

In fact in prison i am absolutely free to do what i like best, think...the most precious commodity of our times. A real prison with criminals may be a tough place but that joke in the experiment doesnt come close to that. So lol at Stanford experiment. Bring it. And bring isolation for 21 days too. You may get a theory about the universe out of it in the end. Just hand me some paper and a couple pens and a small 2mx2m cell is the highest form of freedom i will ever have from the daily noise we live, which is our true prison existence so often. And if you cant do that i will make darkness my friend. It will be day inside my mind. The brightest yet.


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10-20-2015 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by masque de Z
In fact in prison i am absolutely free to do what i like best, think...the most precious commodity of our times. A real prison with criminals may be a tough place but that joke in the experiment doesnt come close to that. So lol at Stanford experiment. Bring it. And bring isolation for 21 days too. You may get a theory about the universe out of it in the end. Just hand me some paper and a couple pens and a small 2mx2m cell is the highest form of freedom i will ever have from the daily noise we live, which is our true prison existence so often. And if you cant do that i will make darkness my friend. It will be day inside my mind. The brightest yet.
It's been 11 weeks, 4 days since this freedom was killed off like so much useless ****.

Sorry but no ****ing chance is this ever possible. The tease of possibility, and yeah, we'll do the thinking for you without thinking through what you want to do.

Such is the beauty of inference and cognition at massive multiples of individual human capability.

"Surely he's joking, Mr. Feny..."

Wheeler cuts in, looks over at Nash.

"We don't ******' think so..."


Nice post = induced set and kill. Want it in slomo?

Last edited by Kristofero; 10-20-2015 at 08:07 PM. Reason: Pre-fire slam. Ain't happening.
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10-20-2015 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Kristofero
It's been 11 weeks, 4 days since this freedom was killed off like so much useless ****.

Sorry but no ****ing chance is this ever possible. The tease of possibility, and yeah, we'll do the thinking for you without thinking through what you want to do.

Such is the beauty of inference and cognition at massive multiples of individual human capability.

"Surely he's joking, Mr. Feny..."

Wheeler cuts in, looks over at Nash.

"We don't ******' think so..."


Nice post = induced set and kill. Want it in slomo?
Kristofero,

To embed a youtube you use the "embed" code. You can get it by clicking "share" then "embed" and look at the code right after "embed". The code also shows up at the bottom but I can't figure how to copy paste it from there. If you quote me you can see the code I'm talking about.




PairTheBoard
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10-21-2015 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by masque de Z
Why is it nice post? Exactly what did Stanford prison experiment prove? That in that particular case with that exact set up bad things will happen, especially if you make sure they will, in ways we dont exactly find out, unless we were there.

I would never abuse others from a position of power and nobody can break me as a prisoner either with mental games. Only uneducated low caliber losers allow a tough situation to define them negatively and not positively as a challenge, regardless of ultimate win or loss. If you believe in a strong human that is exactly who you will get as a parent, teacher, mentor and society leader.

In fact in prison i am absolutely free to do what i like best, think...the most precious commodity of our times. A real prison with criminals may be a tough place but that joke in the experiment doesnt come close to that. So lol at Stanford experiment. Bring it. And bring isolation for 21 days too. You may get a theory about the universe out of it in the end. Just hand me some paper and a couple pens and a small 2mx2m cell is the highest form of freedom i will ever have from the daily noise we live, which is our true prison existence so often. And if you cant do that i will make darkness my friend. It will be day inside my mind. The brightest yet.

I think his point was that the words you choose betray how easily we fall into us/them and how quickly that shuts down our ability for rational thought. At least that's how I took it.
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10-21-2015 , 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by lastcardcharlie
How does the drug market differ from other markets in which monopoly is outlawed?
Massive massive artifical upfront costs. And it's a bit of a misnomer to say monopoly is outlawed. Technically true but it's almost never prosecuted and the reason for that is because monopolies don't really ever actually happen and when they do they are quickly defeated by normal forces.

Now you cite one single example from like 1992 showing monopolies are totally a problem that our legislation saves us from.
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10-21-2015 , 08:00 AM
Also patents and monopolies aren't exactly the same thing and patents exist in most fields. But I'd be fine with eliminating patents or shortening their duration if we also got rid of the FDA
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10-21-2015 , 11:15 AM
PTB,

Thanks.

What replaces the FDA, corporate oversight or Cuban pharma standards?
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10-23-2015 , 02:30 PM
http://techcrunch.com/2015/10/23/a-7...nd-it-costs-1/

Imprimis Pharmaceutical is going to be offering the pills at a buck each. Poor hedge fund guy.
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10-23-2015 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BrookTrout
Poor hedge fund guy.
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Shkreli was wholly unapologetic about the move, too, tweeting, when asked how he was able to sleep at night, that he uses Ambien.
I couldn't have put it better. Some of y'all have taken Ambien, right? The strange **** can be shaped. (:

O the horror, Keres.

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10-24-2015 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Kristofero
PTB,

Thanks.

What replaces the FDA, corporate oversight or Cuban pharma standards?
BBB. Its absurd to suggest that every consumer of pharmaceuticals has the same risk tolerance, and in particular, that that risk tolerance is "absurdly, absurdly low."
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10-25-2015 , 04:39 PM
Human beings are resilient vessels, yes.

With apologies to Jaye Davidson for the stolen line.
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10-25-2015 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by vhawk01
BBB. Its absurd to suggest that every consumer of pharmaceuticals has the same risk tolerance, and in particular, that that risk tolerance is "absurdly, absurdly low."
You are making the mistake of thinking that the smartest of all consumers has time to gather the relevant information and do the calculations. A further mistake is made by thinking that democracy of ideas/opinions will be helpful.

Outsourcing of some of my decisions to subject matter experts and protecting me from myself is not a bad thing.
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10-25-2015 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
You are making the mistake of thinking that the smartest of all consumers has time to gather the relevant information and do the calculations. A further mistake is made by thinking that democracy of ideas/opinions will be helpful.

Outsourcing of some of my decisions to subject matter experts and protecting me from myself is not a bad thing.

Some need it more than others.

And it is a bad thing. Aside from the fundamental need for a massive reduction in population, having stupid people be stupid is useful. You do need a corral however, if somewhat porous. Which is why PU exists, for an example.
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10-26-2015 , 10:28 AM
Fundamental need for massive physical reduction or choking down of cognitive development?

Buildings need still be built, don'cha know.

Last edited by Kristofero; 10-26-2015 at 10:28 AM. Reason: Malthus clucks.
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