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10-31-2008 , 04:45 PM
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To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist, sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God.
Great. Evil does not exist. Wait, actually it does. Therefore my argument is a red herring.

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It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat, or the darkness that comes when there is no light."
What a bunch of crap.
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10-31-2008 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by inhisprime
"Evil does not exist, sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat, or the darkness that comes when there is no light."
If God is everywhere how could anything or any place be absent from him?
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10-31-2008 , 04:54 PM
Here is a real Einstein quote:

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"I do not believe in a personal god and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
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10-31-2008 , 04:56 PM
In regards to the OP, he's right that cold and darkness are not tangible things. However, neither are good and evil. Neither one is tangible. For the OP to make any sense, "good" would have to be tangible while evil is not. They are simply ways of describing actions, just like "boring/fun, or long/short, etc."
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10-31-2008 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jogsxyz
Germany 100 years ago. Not likely a teacher would
take this from a seven year old brat.
After the cold story, the teacher would smack the kid
on the head. In the dead of winter kick the kid out
of the building without his coat. An hour later allow
the kid to return. Then ask.
"was that cold or the absence of heat?"
"That's not frostbite, junior. That's absence of heat-bite, ldo."
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10-31-2008 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by tmcdmck
wtf is this crap

www.snopes.com showed this to be made up ages ago.

plus its a crap argument anyway. gah im slightly tilted now.

*edit*http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp

the actual link
Knew it was fake just by the bad setup and payoff. Aren't fake religious stories the best? I hear they have whole books of them and they consider them holy.
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10-31-2008 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Pidasso
If God is everywhere how could anything or any place be absent from him?
You cant expect OP to answer this...what is he, Einstein?
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10-31-2008 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by bigmonkey
i'm not sure what OP's point is. but i do agree that the "if god exists, is omnipotent and omniscient he must be evil because he created/allowed evil" argument is valid.

fyp
by the same logic, he must be good, because he created good. so he must be both good and evil. the statement doesn't really mean anything.

and anyway, if i create deliciousness (in the form of a sandwich) that doesn't make me delicious. if i allow my girlfriend to curl her hair in my bathroom (and i could easily prevent her) that doesn't make me a hair-curler. you are presuming that creating/allowing evil is necessarily an evil act.
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10-31-2008 , 05:20 PM
it would be a somewhat less annoying argument to say "if god exists (and is blah blah blah), he must not be 'all-good' "
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10-31-2008 , 05:21 PM
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i'm not sure what OP's point is. but i do agree that the "if god exists, is omnipotent and omniscient he cannot be benevolent because he created/allowed evil" argument is valid.
FMFYP.
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10-31-2008 , 05:24 PM
yes, ok. i think that one's fair
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10-31-2008 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by willie24
by the same logic, he must be good, because he created good. so he must be both good and evil. the statement doesn't really mean anything.
The argument is a refutation to the position that God is omnibenovelent. A God that all-good, all-loving, etc cannot be, by definition, partly-evil. I don't think you will find anyone arguing that God cannot be part good part evil. You will find theists arguing that he is all good though.

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and anyway, if i create deliciousness (in the form of a sandwich) that doesn't make me delicious. if i allow my girlfriend to curl her hair in my bathroom (and i could easily prevent her) that doesn't make me a hair-curler. you are presuming that creating/allowing evil is necessarily an evil act.
This is a strawman. If you created deliciousness, then it follows that you are not evil because deliciousness does not cause evilness. The creation of evilness, implies you are evil because it necessarily causes evilness.

Creating evil is not necessarily an evil act. If you were forced to create evil, then you are not the one who is responsible. Since God is the prime force and since he is omnipotent and has the capability not to create evil, he is ultimately responsible for evil, and is therefore (part) evil for creating evil.
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10-31-2008 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by inhisprime
No im not talking about you. Im not offended. I am talking about other comments from people in the thread. I just wanted to mention im no theist but do Belive in Yah or a single creator. Einstein might of said it might not. He did chase a false illusion god because he as heavy into the kabballah. His god could be a different one. That was a major reason for his mathematics in the first place. He was into mysticism and thought mathematics was a gateway for communication. But what i posted here was to observe the argument not the guy.
i have read a good deal about einstein, this kabbalah stuff never came up. einstein rejected all formal religion explicitly. einstein never claimed to have proof of god, though he did believe in an underlying unity in the universe, spinoza's god. please do your research before you spout off this bs.
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10-31-2008 , 05:57 PM
Sigh, so many small people in one place.

Keep searching for your answers prime, if you stay positive things will make sense again.
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10-31-2008 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Professor_Jones
Sigh, so many small people in one place.

Keep searching for your answers prime, if you stay positive things will make sense again.
Yea, cause what you say makes a whole lot of sense. Take your smugness elsewhere, or at least couple it with a coherent point.

Last edited by scorcher863; 10-31-2008 at 06:13 PM. Reason: "r"
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10-31-2008 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by inhisprime
dude bequiet. You dont even know what a theist is. I dont put mans defintions as mines. Because its not. where did that word come from? whoc reated it? for what purpose? im tired of man assigning me defintions. I can find my own. Dont put any labels on me. Im my own man. Haha clever men made up words and you believed in them because your so unintelligent to see what they really mean. They were created to inslave you like the word "person" or "lawyer".People dont understand words and use them with no knowledge where that came from, how, or for what purpose. Im no religion i am me. I believe in what i Believe. Im my own man. I dont follow man i follow God. Calling me a theist is just tryign to judge me as a category to further divide us into subclasses like puppets. We dont need any further division. Dont put me in a category cause im a lane of my own
serious question: how do you decide which words to capitalize?
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10-31-2008 , 06:18 PM
WTF, I spelled Bill Maher wrong.
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10-31-2008 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by scorcher863
Yea, cause what you say makes a whole lot of sense. Take you smugness elsewhere, or at least couple it with a coherent point.
My points are coherent enough for the people who understand them.
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10-31-2008 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Professor_Jones
My points are coherent enough for the people who understand them.

I get the point that you are trying to call me dumb or non perceptive. But I don't think you get the point that, since you haven't supported that conclusion, you're not really making a point.
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10-31-2008 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by scorcher863
I get the point that you are trying to call me dumb or non perceptive. But I don't think you get the point that, since you haven't supported that conclusion, you're not really making a point.
I haven't said a thing about you.
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10-31-2008 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Professor_Jones
I haven't said a thing about you.
It seemed that way given your high and mighty attitude, but I suppose I could have misinterpreted what you were saying.
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10-31-2008 , 07:15 PM
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Why did i even start this thread? To have an intelligent debate but that was a disaster.
This is a level right? You actually thought posting that silly made up story would start an intelligent debate? Really?

Really?
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10-31-2008 , 07:16 PM
Internet person believes chain email. Read all about it!
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10-31-2008 , 07:19 PM
so you are claiming that you "watched" einstein participate in these kabbalah rituals? even though he publicly and explicitly decried the religion of man? of course i should trust you and random conspiracy theorists over biographers who spend years researching personal information from einstein's life. i don't know why i get lured into debates with people who make baseless statements and use flimsy logic to justify it.
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10-31-2008 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Professor_Jones
My points are coherent enough for the people who understand them.
True of all the great minds, like you, Jim Jones and Marshall Applewhite.

Hardly something to aspire to. I'd prefer coherence to those who abhor them.
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