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So, as with the other E-Cat tests, we’re really not much better off than we were prior to the 28th. We’ve got reports that sound exciting but there’s still no real evidence. That’s not to say some data doesn’t exist but until a verifiably objective analysis is conducted by an independent third party that confirms the results match the claims there’s no real news, which is utterly disappointing.

I want to see the oil economy disrupted and a clean, environmentally sound, endless, and incredibly cheap energy source transform the world in my lifetime. I want to believe that Rossi has the answer. But the longer it takes to see proof, the harder it becomes to believe in the E-Cat or cold fusion.

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10-31-2011 , 11:47 PM

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I only want him to show me one thing;

Screw the energy issue for now, i want to establish proof of transmutation first. Just show me you put in Ni in normal natural isotope mix and operate it using a known quantity of Ni,H (show me where H is too) and his "catalyst" and then demonstrate in the final examination that you have Cu and Fe isotopes in the area where Ni used to be and less Ni. Videotape the process for days to eliminate anyone tampering and have a neutral lab test the fuel before and after. How hard is this???

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11-01-2011 , 12:01 AM

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And if the tests come back negative, they will simply say they are still getting excess energy, so there has to be something else going on.

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11-02-2011 , 02:35 PM

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This whole thing reminds me of the entire FTP "there's a buyer around the corner" saga.

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11-02-2011 , 02:38 PM

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This whole thing reminds me of the entire FTP "there's a buyer around the corner" saga.

As in, you want to hope/believe, but are afraid to (since its unlikely to be real)?

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11-02-2011 , 02:45 PM

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Nah just the way it went down "there will be another presentation of this miracle device soon" vs "there will be another hearing". Then you gain no info from the next iteration except a promise for another one.
Just the typical meta-scam action of extending the time untill busto.

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11-02-2011 , 02:59 PM

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If you Google the customer's chief engineer at this test, Domenico Fioravanti ,
you only come up with references to a swimmer and this Oct 28 test. Strange that a distinguished engineer with "30 years of experience" according to Rossi, leaves no internet trail

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11-03-2011 , 06:32 PM

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Rossi is trying to sell his device but only to "qualified customers".

http://pesn.com/2011/11/03/9501945_E...essful_Launch/

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11-04-2011 , 04:35 AM

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I have more money than brains, do you think I qualify?

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11-04-2011 , 05:38 AM

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FoxNews and msnbc picked up the story.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45153076...ience-science/
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/...-fusion-plant/

If it's a fraud... well done Senore Rossi.
If it's true and it does what it says... Revoluljah.

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11-04-2011 , 04:27 PM

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Any thoughts on Frank Znidarsic work ("the control of the natural forces")?

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01-08-2012 , 04:01 PM

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bump for updates

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01-08-2012 , 09:53 PM

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IMO the only time an update will be worthwhile is when everyone hears about it because it makes CNN, Fox etc.

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01-08-2012 , 09:59 PM

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realize that wasn't terribly helpful.

Go here and do some reading
http://www.e-catworld.com/

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01-09-2012 , 01:20 AM

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realize that wasn't terribly helpful.

Maybe not helpful, but definitely accurate. There's not going to be much to say on the subject until it is definitively debunked, or incontrovertibly proven.

I have my fingers crossed. If proven true we definitely have some interesting times ahead of us.

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01-09-2012 , 06:37 PM

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How does that fence feel? You really ride it hard

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01-09-2012 , 08:43 PM

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I don't see how anyone could have a different opinion. Being on the fence is the only position that makes sense until we have information.

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01-09-2012 , 09:22 PM

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In the absence of information or proof, in case like this, the sensible option is not being undecided.

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01-10-2012 , 06:59 PM

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blah blah blah ur the mitt romney of this thread. you intend to speak objectively with no subject.

there are 2 schools for speaking to nothingness, one the romney school and the other the larry david school. romney school sucks cuz it's all proverbial bull**** that is intended to make the talker about nothing feel good about himself no matter the outcome. the seinfeld approach makes humor out of the fact there is nothing to discuss intellectually.

cliffs:

ride the fence and tickle your intellectual dillhole but since that only serves yourself, don't post it

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01-10-2012 , 07:58 PM

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on the fence about what? this OP ecat crap is fake. you dont need to look into it you dont need to think about it you dont need anything. its the same **** thats been happening since as far as i can remember. people looking for fame from ******s claim that they have invtented some new energy that will change the world, it turns out to be fake, and then all the ******s never bring it up again for fear of blushing.

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01-10-2012 , 08:31 PM

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until next time when they will again tell us why the sane people are being too negative/cynical etc.

Having said that, if the guy manages to get a public company going then getting in early might be the best idea since the South Sea.

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01-10-2012 , 08:55 PM

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ryanb, what makes you an authority on the matter?

Really, I read the thread twice and I don't need to re-read your opinion every 5th or 6th post

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10-08-2014 , 08:19 PM

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So... reading about e-cat updates recently...

Seems like Rossi sold his invention to a US business (although he is still very involved). This business has supposedly been working with a client on setting up a 1MW generator in their factory.

I guess this is interesting because people are putting money into the e-cat. Not very conclusive but maybe something will come out of it some day.

The other news today is the release of this report:
http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/...portSubmit.pdf

I think the results in there are interesting, though it probably won't convince the skeptics.

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10-10-2014 , 06:33 PM

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I came up with a thing like this to turn Lead into Lithium. Worked OK, but the problem was what to do with the waste lead after I knocked 3 protons, 4 neutrons, and 3 electrons off of it to make the lithium.