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06-19-2011 , 11:09 AM
Yeah - you'll never miss it -
Go work in a busy ER, and just let us know when you get burnt, or miss a dissection, or miss a tylenol level.

Disease dont read textbooks.
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06-19-2011 , 11:10 AM
I never implied I would never miss it - only that pain going away with NO isn't something that I would discount without a good reason. Stop being a douche, I am not implying anything about my abilities whatsoever.

edit: Thanks for the handy tip, though!
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06-19-2011 , 11:13 AM
Im not a douche - Youre just still mad about the psychiatry comments.
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06-19-2011 , 11:14 AM
I've already expressed the opinion a long time ago that I think psych is mostly a bunch of bull****. I just thought your comment that someone would be stupid enough to go through 4 years of med school to do psych for the rest of their life was silly.
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06-19-2011 , 11:16 AM
you r right about cp going away w nitro -
truce
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06-19-2011 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by tcc1
I've already expressed the opinion a long time ago that I think psych is mostly a bunch of bull****. I just thought your comment that someone would be stupid enough to go through 4 years of med school to do psych for the rest of their life was silly.
Yeah, sounds like easy money to me, just sit on your ass all day. Especially those Rogerian guys that just repeat back what you say and expect you to fix yourself. But they still send you the bill right? Now *that* I could write a computer program to do.
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06-19-2011 , 12:17 PM
tbh, Im having too much fun bashing psychiatrists, its really troll-like, but so fun...Im sure its fun for many other people reading too, who feel the same.

Psychiatry is tough with really insane people, and certainly a computer could pump out pills for different behavioral disorders, with startling consistency to a human psychiatrist.

Its tough to make a robot do Psychotherapy, (talking through problems.)

This is something any psychologist (or a good relative) could do, and which the shrinks call "Cognitive Therapy" so they can slap on a hefty bill.
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06-19-2011 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mustafamond
Its tough to make a robot do Psychotherapy, (talking through problems.)
So you feel that it's tough to make a robot do Psychotherapy? How often do you feel this way? What does your body feel like when you have these thoughts?
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06-20-2011 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by growlers
After following the other thread, and then seeing this one, i really have come to the conclusion that alot of the posters have very little idea of how doctors think or what they do.
Patients are generally quite poor at describing their symptoms without multiple follow up questions or prompting. They are also unable to weight these symptoms as far as their importance in figuring out what is wrong with them. I had a guy a few hours ago whose main complaint was ear pain and he wound up having bells palsy. No computer would have figured this out.

In the er we often have to make decisions and diagnoses with very little information and varying degrees of cooperation from the patients. Most of the people posting in these threads seem to be coming from the perspective of someone with a sprained ankle or seasonal allergies. Stuff that requires about 1% of our diagnostic ability. Of course this stuff is amenable to computer diagnosis. Try having someone come in with altered mental status, or shock, or a cardiac rhythm problem or whatever and see how a computer does. Not to mention the computer can't intubate the three people I did tonight or do all the procedures.

I find this stuff interesting from a theoretical perspective but I find a huge disconnect here between what people are posting here and the reality of practicing medicine.
That stuff takes 1% of your diagnostic ability but also represents 90% of the actual work you do and the lions share of the errors you make.

But you are doing a good job of illustrating the inherent bias doctors have towards the unusual and anecdotal.
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