I posted this under science, math, and philosophy because this is about forum ethics and ethics is a branch of philosophy.

I decided to bring this up because it’s something that’s been in the back of my mind for years and it’s just never really discussed. I’m sure many people (esp. administrators) would see it happen regularly but just ignore it. I think a reminder is called for.

One of the most obvious examples I’ve seen of baseless accusations was someone accusing someone else of some wrong doing. The accuser had enough brain cells to provide us the reason; “If I was scammed like you claim to be, I would be outranged and I would be typing things like; *#^*% and @^#$ %*! But since you are all calm and relaxed, it makes me suspicious and therefore you must be lying about it.”

I know the people doing it are just amoral. That is to say, they are simply unaware that what they are doing is wrong. I know this through my years of forum experience. The people who baselessly accuse you are not trolling, or joking around; it’s actually how their distorted minds work.

To formulate that there’s enough evidence to “come out” and make an accusation in many cases is harder than playing top level poker. There are too many factors involved; my best advice to people is to simply not do it. If you go there, you’ll almost always do more harm than good.

My advice to people who are victims of baseless accusations is to simply ignore it. Don’t play their game and try and prove yourself, you'll just encourage it then.
Remind yourself that the people doing it are amoral. Keep in mind also there’s people out there who can see straight; we know what’s going on. If it hits the fan we will jump in.

It’s probably a bad idea for forum admins to police it as it’s just too widespread and the harm it does is minimal. Maybe in some extreme cases admins could take action.

In summary, the Americans have it right when they say: “Innocent until proven guilty!”

So I think this is Science, Math and Philosophy in the sense:

and not

Of course we could talk about the theory of persuasion, which is an interesting topic (Had David Sklansky wrote Theory of Persuasion rather than Theory of Poker, he'd could've move up to a new class of girl).

But I think that's outside the scope of your OP, which seems to consist or rather first level advice (don't engage the people asking for proof, guys, when you have none!)

OP should've had my ex mother-in-law. THEN he'd have plenty more examples.

Thread saved? Go on, Howard. We need examples.

She was one of those ppl that will NEVER admit to wrong doing. NEVER! She would lie, dissemble, go into fits of rage, refuse to even discuss someone else's concerns, and the 'etc' that I'm tossing in is to cover every. single. possible. description. of someone like that.

That covers that part, here's what she was like w/ regards to gift giving:

I bought my ex a necklace and gave it to her in front of her mother who asked 'where is mine?' I looked at her, she had on her usual look of extreme greed and stupidity, and I simply handed it to her and bought my ex another one.

For Christmas one year I and my brother and sister-in-law put together $1K to get her something and my sister-in-law bought a bracelet at a very nice local department store. I hadn't seen it but when she opened the box she was disappointed. TBH, it didn't look like it cost $1K but what did she do? She started yelling, screaming, ran to my father-in-law, banged on his desk and kept yelling about what a lousy Christmas present we'd given her. So I mollified her bec I knew what she wanted, had my sister-in-law to return it, and w/ the $1K I visited Manhattan's Diamond district (which is worth a trip if you're a tourist, that list being extremely short for that street), and went to a gold-by-weight shop and got her something big and gaudy which is her style.

If I told the story about the time my ex brought her mother to a hospital for elective surgery ppl would have a very hard time believing me.

AND, she covered for my ex's cheating.

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Btw, I have vowed to urinate on her grave. Does anybody here know how to find out if she's dead yet and where she would be buried?

I skipped to the end for cliffs, and wasn't disappointed. Thread saved, SMP saved, and possibly even 2p2/the Internet saved. Bless you.

Going back to read the rest now.

I think I'm going to have to drive from Arizona to Florida to do it but I'm definitely going to a vow being a vow after all. My initial plan was to drink a few beers to get up a nice, healthy amount but I've switched to water in order to make the charges less severe if I get caught.

I MIGHT cheat using a pee bottle but that won't be as much fun.

Forgot: I mean to leave a huge bouquet of tulip thorns also.

A real man would organize someone to video it, and send it to the cheating ex.

Move to OOT? Lots of mother-in-law stories it seems. Personality disorders do tend to run in families. I know I have the old bull/young bull thing backward, but never ever put your dick in crazy, Howard. Or the spawn of crazy.

A false accussation not confronted may as well not be false.

At 31 years old boning an 18 year old made my friends jealous. I paid the price but good.

Pissing on graves is good for the soul. Go for it Howard. I'll even donate some money for your travel and cause. And believe me, I don't ****ing donate often for anything.

The Diamond District looks very interesting. I'm adding it to my list of places to go when I visit New York, possibly this year.

Having no baselessly accusations to fling about at the moment; I'll refrain from comments on the OP. I'll just ignore it.

* Great story by the way. Five stars. When's the movie coming out?

One of these days I'm going to write my book. Here's a link to my 60th B-day thread from which many work stories are going to be included:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/34...stions-753631/

If/when you go to NYC the Diamond District is a solid choice. You can spend all day there going from shop to shop. There are so many they've spilled around the corners and you can get some true bargains if you know anything about jewelry.

AND, you will be near Frankie and Johnnie's Steakhouse! which has been there forever and was once a speakeasy. You've got to climb a narrow flight of steps and the tables are really too close but it's worth it.

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Here's the hospital story even though it strains credulity but it's all too true:

My ex brought her mother to Lawrence Hospital in Bronxville, N.Y. for some minor procedure. In the afternoon the hospital called to say that they'd admitted my ex as well since she'd underwent a fit of epic proportions and they put them in the same room. NOW THIS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE! When I got to the hospital and went to the room I'd been told there was a security guard at the door and only my mother-in-law was in the room. I went to the nurse to ask what's up and I was told (THIS PART IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE) that they'd gotten into a fight, had ripped the tubes out of each other's arms, there was blood splashed around and I could visit my ex two floors up.

My mother-in-law was a monster, a 'Jerry Springer' mother-in-law. If they ever call me for that show I won't be surprised. However, I'm not sure of libel laws so I might have to leave that stuff out.

No hints of craziness before you got married?

Time to start up a crowdfunding site for a flight to FL. I've seen them for far less worthy causes.

There appears to be lots of online resources for finding graves.

Yes, there were plenty of hints of craziness which is why I tell youngsters to be very careful of who they marry. 'Love is enough.........all we need is each other'...........lol, what a crock!

I make a joke:

If I ever get married again it'd be to a woman who had to climb down a mountain, take a jeep ride for 6 hours, get on a bus for a day and night and take a 15 hour flight to get here and come from a place where they know how to cook monkeys and think that airplanes are Gods.

THAT'S how far away her family would have to be.

LOL, that's not far enough to keep them away. A friend of mine, who makes lots of money in the software game, married a hot Portuguese chick. Her parents live in the Azores. Look on a map and see how much hassle it is just for them just to get to Portugal. My buddy lives in Surprise.

Every other year his in-laws would come to visit. For a month. They would demand he take a lot of time off work and serve as tour guide, taking them to Disneyland, Grand Canyon, etc. They had to stay in high-end hotels, eat high-end food, etc. It would cost him 20 grand every time they came to visit.

Yes, but unfortunately, while we say that a lot, in practice, it is not always the case, particularly in the media.