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In defense of Incest In defense of Incest

09-04-2010 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by The Passenger
Like I said, Pokerbrute pointed out what is interesting about this thread....
And LOL at the rage. Get some damn reads kiddo....
09-04-2010 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Ethos
09-04-2010 , 08:55 PM
In Defense of "In Defense of Incest"
a novel

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Originally Posted by The Passenger
I find a debate on incest to be silly. I think I've made that abundantly clear. What I find interesting is that I post a film which was a warm up acting excercise with an actor spouting bull**** off the top of his head (and it is made clear at the end that it is not real nor serious) and it inspires posts like plancers. I already pmed him about it and he had no problem with it and even found it intersting also.
Confirmed, I was actually quite pleased. (and impressed!)

Recently, someone posted a link to a couple five minute videos stating that the Earth was expanding. Not only did I and a decent number of posters watch (and rewatch) the videos, we bothered to write explanations for why the video was wrong. I personally wrote an argument based on the difference between gravitational potential energies (and solved it using real values).

Unlike the aforementioned video, the video in this thread actually presented a powerful argument, one made more impressive because it is against literally the only universal taboo in humanity.

I am more than happy to examine and debate viewpoints that someone doesn't believe.

I am slightly annoyed about how saturated this thread is with trolls. The legitimate replies to the OP (RyanB9, sockhead, and myself) are all qualified agreements with the OP's video.

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Originally Posted by sockhead2

(first part of post his a strong argument against OP)

Edit: But isolated incidents with mutual consent don't bother me at all. Still, without the taboo, it might become wide spread, and that might lead to the complications I mentioned above.
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Originally Posted by Ryanb9
Thanks for arguing this OP, I didn't agree with you before because I never thought about it but now I agree with you.
(what follows is an explanation)
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Originally Posted by Plancer
(everything except a fragment of the Cliffs Cliffs has been removed. You could call this the Cliffs Cliffs Cliffs)
"yes, you're right, but that isn't the reason incest should be illegal." and "How does his criticism of the incest taboo, if acted upon, have any effect? "
Ironically, part of my argument against the OP's video was the genesis of the law is irrelevant to its utility.
Applying the argument to the thread states "the genesis of this video is irrelevant to how truthtastic it is."

A parting word for the trolls:

Seriously, stop your fallacies from ****ing your thinking and start thinking about ****ing your sister (with your phalluses, seriously).

Last edited by Plancer; 09-04-2010 at 08:58 PM. Reason: Forgot the quotation marks in the title. That's the only thing I put in this post that I could possibly regret, right?
09-04-2010 , 09:01 PM
Where are the trolls? I've done nothing but 'express qualified agreement' with the video. OP needs more of a sense of humour and less of a sense of his own import, is all.
09-04-2010 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
Where are the trolls? I've done nothing but 'express qualified agreement' with the video. OP needs more of a sense of humour and less of a sense of his own import, is all.
Lol. I did find you funny. I thought that was apparent.
09-04-2010 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
Where are the trolls? I've done nothing but 'express qualified agreement' with the video. OP needs more of a sense of humour and less of a sense of his own import, is all.
What do you mean agreement with the video? That's like agreeing with a song....
09-04-2010 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
I've done nothing but 'express qualified agreement' with the ideas purportedly presented in the video.
Now brought to you in ******vision.
09-04-2010 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
Where are the trolls? I've done nothing but 'express qualified agreement' with the video. OP needs more of a sense of humour and less of a sense of his own import, is all.
Diplomatic answer: We are on page 6 of this thread with about five relevant posts, none of which disagree.
09-04-2010 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
Now brought to you in ******vision.
lol really? What did i expect from posting this? Trolls supporting it. Idiots flaming it. Why? I don't know. The vid is silly and pointless. Not interesting enough to troll. Not interesting enough to take seriously. The only interesting thing is the reactions. Pointless trolling on something uninteresting or panties in a bunch reaction to OP.
09-04-2010 , 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Plancer
Diplomatic answer: We are on page 6 of this thread with about five relevant posts, none of which disagree.
Since the video does not posit an argument for incest, i think the only relevant posts were made by PokerBrute.
09-04-2010 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by The Passenger
lol really? What did i expect from posting this? Trolls supporting it. Idiots flaming it. Why? I don't know. The vid is silly and pointless. Not interesting enough to troll. Not interesting enough to take seriously. The only interesting thing is the reactions. Pointless trolling on something uninteresting or panties in a bunch reaction to OP.
There are no bunched panties, though quite clearly bunched panties are what you were hoping for.

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Originally Posted by Plancer
Diplomatic answer: We are on page 6 of this thread with about five relevant posts, none of which disagree.
Relevant to what?! By OP's own admission he has no interest in the subject. A post 'relevant' to the OP would be disussing warmup techniques for actors, right? Instead, there's no discussion, because there's apparently no disagreement that isn't entirely emotive in nature (see 11t's post).
09-04-2010 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
There are no bunched panties, though quite clearly bunched panties are what you were hoping for.

I didn't hope for anything. How clear do I have to make that. I was bored and randomly curious one night. I had the video up once on myspace a few years ago. I got bizarre emails from people saying that they agree. Most I do not think were trolling.



Relevant to what?! By OP's own admission he has no interest in the subject. A post 'relevant' to the OP would be disussing warmup techniques for actors, right? Instead, there's no discussion, because there's apparently no disagreement that isn't entirely emotive in nature (see 11t's post).
The subject of the video is obviously not incest. Put the end at the beginning and its different. The sujbect of the vid is a man being asked to make an arguement for it, and his ensuing attempt.
09-04-2010 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
There are no bunched panties, though quite clearly bunched panties are what you were hoping for.



Relevant to what?! By OP's own admission he has no interest in the subject. A post 'relevant' to the OP would be disussing warmup techniques for actors, right? Instead, there's no discussion, because there's apparently no disagreement that isn't entirely emotive in nature (see 11t's post).
How clear do I have to make it that I wasn't hoping for anything. I was bored and curious to what kind of ridic replies there would be. I posted it once on a myspace page years ago, and I recieved bizarre emails from people agreeing with it. Most, IMO, were not trolling.
09-04-2010 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by The Passenger
Since the video does not posit an argument for incest...
The video presents a case for the obsolescence of the prohibition. So rather than being overtly for incest, the video is against being against it.
09-04-2010 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Concerto
The video presents a case for the obsolescence of the prohibition. So rather than being overtly for incest, the video is against being against it.
It doesn't present that case. Put it this way. If i had asked the actor to eat an oreo and pretend that it is gross. Would this present an argument that oreos are gross? Or even present an argument that this man doesn't like oreos? There is nothing that the video presents. No argument it makes. No stand it takes.
09-04-2010 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Concerto
The video presents a case for the obsolescence of the prohibition. So rather than being overtly for incest, the video is against being against it.
What it is, is simply a piece of cinema verita. It is actually documentary as opposed to fiction.
09-04-2010 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by The Passenger
It doesn't present that case. Put it this way. If i had asked the actor to eat an oreo and pretend that it is gross. Would this present an argument that oreos are gross? Or even present an argument that this man doesn't like oreos? There is nothing that the video presents. No argument it makes. No stand it takes.
If the actor exceeds merely depicting a reaction, and makes a presentation likely to persuade the viewer to share that reaction, then the video tends to promote this point of view.

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Originally Posted by The Passenger
What it is, is simply a piece of cinema verita. It is actually documentary as opposed to fiction.
So the guy isn't an actor then. What? I'm beginning to suspect the reactions in this thread will be part of the same art project.
09-04-2010 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Concerto
If the actor exceeds merely depicting a reaction, and makes a presentation likely to persuade the viewer to share that reaction, then the video tends to promote this point of view.



So the guy isn't an actor then. What? I'm beginning to suspect the reactions in this thread will be part of the same art project.

No he is an actor. But the video is a document of him attempting to make a argument for incest. And this likely makes it more real than any video blog. The pure reality is: There is a man who has been asked to make an argument for incest and does so. Just as if I had asked him to eat an oreo which would simply be a real document of a man being asked to eat an oreo and doing so. I have another video of him that is 40x better and more interesting...
09-04-2010 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Concerto
If the actor exceeds merely depicting a reaction, and makes a presentation likely to persuade the viewer to share that reaction, then the video tends to promote this point of view.



So the guy isn't an actor then. What? I'm beginning to suspect the reactions in this thread will be part of the same art project.
Asia Argento actually did an art project like that online. She made a fictional daily vlog for one week that most assumed was real. People would comment, she would interact with the comments. The comments were a part of the project and all who commented were given writing credits.
09-04-2010 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by The Passenger
No he is an actor. But the video is a document of him attempting to make a argument for incest. And this likely makes it more real than any video blog. The pure reality is: There is a man who has been asked to make an argument for incest and does so. Just as if I had asked him to eat an oreo which would simply be a real document of a man being asked to eat an oreo and doing so. I have another video of him that is 40x better and more interesting...
Then the thread title "In defense of Incest" does not describe the theme of the video, but rather the intent of the character being depicted by the actor in the video. (Or something like that.)

Glad we cleared that up. Holding back the development of an artist will, of course, never do.
09-05-2010 , 01:01 AM
This thread is officially annoying, but since it is a film/acting project, I will say that I find the guy in film to be quite compelling.

It took a few seconds to figure out that he wasn't ******ed and was just speaking slowly or thoughtfully or something, but after that I was hooked. I liked listening to him. He could explain why navel lint should be used to make sweaters, and with his manor of speaking, accent, voice, etc. (just the whole package) I think I'd watch at least a few minutes of it.

The movie quality is better than a home movie, but not as good as 'good'. It isn't bad... but I don't like the way those cuts work near the end.

Thanks for posting it.

Also, I think the OP is full of **** if he is claiming that the actor is just spouting off crap that is obviously just a joke or nonsense or something.
09-05-2010 , 01:19 AM
i like OP now, well played sir
09-05-2010 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by The Passenger
It doesn't present that case. Put it this way. If i had asked the actor to eat an oreo and pretend that it is gross. Would this present an argument that oreos are gross? Or even present an argument that this man doesn't like oreos? There is nothing that the video presents. No argument it makes. No stand it takes.
If I read The Communist Manifesto in front of a camera, the video would have "presented nothing" and "made no argument?" What if, instead of reading Marx, I just hold up the pages to the camera? Now, what if I cut up the film reel and glue an image corresponding to each page, and glue them to my scrapbook? (they sell special ones at the Obsessed Scizophrenic Emporium at the mall)
Now, what if I go back in time, pose as Marx, and hand this scrapbook to a publisher, then go forward in time and make a recording of me reading it?

What now?
09-05-2010 , 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Plancer
If I read The Communist Manifesto in front of a camera, the video would have "presented nothing" and "made no argument?" What if, instead of reading Marx, I just hold up the pages to the camera? Now, what if I cut up the film reel and glue an image corresponding to each page, and glue them to my scrapbook? (they sell special ones at the Obsessed Scizophrenic Emporium at the mall)
Now, what if I go back in time, pose as Marx, and hand this scrapbook to a publisher, then go forward in time and make a recording of me reading it?

What now?
EZ. You want to bang your sister. I thought we established that.
09-05-2010 , 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by sockhead2
Grunch. Aside from genetic issues, the real fear with incest is that families will not feel like safe harbors from sexual tension. Most people are unable to relax and be comfortable when they are looking for a mate; they are like strutting peacocks. Think of what obnoxious dicks some people are when they thing there is anything greater than a 0% chance that they could score with someone in the room, and the utterly stupid and heartless things they do to one another to try and get it.

I honestly don't know how realistic a threat this is, but the fear is that super horny teenagers will pester their siblings (or parents), and that has the potential to tear apart a family. After all, that tears apart a lot of marriages, and these are between people who chose each other and decided to live together and have sex with each other.

Edit: But isolated incidents with mutual consent don't bother me at all. Still, without the taboo, it might become wide spread, and that might lead to the complications I mentioned above.
Just do it, tension gone. There is no tension with my wife, even though she is also m

      
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