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04-06-2008 , 12:48 PM
hello all, my question is what is the outer automorphism of the alternating group A4, and a brief explanation why. I've heard/read somewhere that it's the factor group S4/A4, but i'm not too sure about that (or know why)

Any help would be much appreciated, thanks.
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04-07-2008 , 03:34 AM
Not entirely sure what you're asking:

- The automorphism group of the alternating group A4 is the symmetric group S4

- The inner automorphism group of A4 is again A4

- The outer automorphism group is by definition the quotient of the automorphism group by the inner automorphism group, which for A4 is S4/A4, which is the group Z2 because every element of S4 is either an odd or even permutation.

Your question is about one of these aspects?

Personally I would like to understand the geometry of all this. Think of S4 as the symmetry group of a regular tetrahedron. Then, for example, any rotation is an even permutation and so is a member of A4. On the other hand, every reflection is an odd permutation. But not every symmetry is a reflection or rotation and I would like to have a clearer picture of which other symmetries are even. I fould something on Wiki about even permutations being those symmetries that are "orientation preserving" but I didn't understand it.
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04-07-2008 , 07:49 AM
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The outer automorphism group is by definition the quotient of the automorphism group by the inner automorphism group, which for A4 is S4/A4, which is the group Z2 because every element of S4 is either an odd or even permutation.
yeah it was that. Unfortunately I have just had the exam so i don't need to know anymore. Thanks a lot for your help though!
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04-07-2008 , 10:18 AM
Since this is SMP, this is sort of appropriate. Many of us may have studied group theory during a math course, and a few of us may have studied group theory in a science course (chemists and physicists I think?). However, I once studied group theory in a philosophy course. It was in a course in symbolic logic, and we basically just covered a few nearly trivial results I already knew from my math courses, but I just found the whole idea of studying group theory in philosophy to be interesting.
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04-08-2008 , 03:25 PM
Don't forget geologists, mickey! Learning all the possible symmetries of crystals, and being able to identify an example of any of the 32 point groups on sight, is a standard part of sophomore mineralogy. I have to say my mineralogy professor explained it better than my abstract algebra teacher two years later did, too...
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