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08-09-2014 , 12:32 PM
Confession #66:

I will meet with trepidation the publication of Masque's Encyclical Quanta Cura and his Syllabus of Errors, as an upgrade to the originals by Pope Pius IX. Speaking ex cathedra is a burden that is best left to really silly people, like Popes. Though I must confess that I actually admire Pope Pius IX and his Chutzpah. One of my favorite Popes, baring some of the more rapscallion Popes from the Borgia Era of course.
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08-09-2014 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by G.Nouveau
Where is the stuff on the brain of his found? Is it something I can just find and read? I think i would be quite surprised now to find he is off in this regard.
Any neuropsychology textbook. You will note that he isn't mentioned in any of them. He is mentioned in a lot of writings by gurus.

Here is a joke for you: Why do they call certain people gurus?
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08-09-2014 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
Any neuropsychology textbook. You will note that he isn't mentioned in any of them. He is mentioned in a lot of writings by gurus.

Here is a joke for you: Why do they call certain people gurus?
I don't know, it makes my mind go blank to think about it....is this about quantum physics?
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08-09-2014 , 02:42 PM
I don't know any decent quantum physics jokes
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08-09-2014 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
I don't know any decent quantum physics jokes
you left the joke hanging tho, is there a punchline?
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08-09-2014 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeno
Confession #66:

I will meet with trepidation the publication of Masque's Encyclical Quanta Cura and his Syllabus of Errors, as an upgrade to the originals by Pope Pius IX. Speaking ex cathedra is a burden that is best left to really silly people, like Popes. Though I must confess that I actually admire Pope Pius IX and his Chutzpah. One of my favorite Popes, baring some of the more rapscallion Popes from the Borgia Era of course.
I bet ex cathedra is exactly how it looked when someone suggested with conviction they all hunt together and share the food and the processing of the food for tools and clothes in the tribe 40k-100k years ago instead of being angry at each other and stealing each other's wives and food. Is law and all our institutions ex cathedra when defended? How about their expansion to even more advantageous game theoretical states? Fusion Zeno is something unnatural in the universe. But it takes you to a great sequence of places once the atoms at the cores of stars are pressed enough and start doing it. Barrier penetration is the key. It doesnt happen easily but then it takes you to a nice outcome. They do not happily get there and align to fuse. Barrier penetration to better game theory solutions is the very game we call civilization. Humans and wolves have to approach very carefully each other initially before the path to the modern dog is explored.

Of course it is only ex cathedra if the one suggesting whatever they are is not also incorporating in the suggestion a methodology to self correct the system itself at all times and re-evaluate its organization ie rejecting a static proposal from the beginning.

Who is ex cathedra now?

Last edited by masque de Z; 08-09-2014 at 04:24 PM.
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08-09-2014 , 04:51 PM
http://nakamotoinstitute.org/shelling-out/

From the above link:
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Collectibles augmented our large brains and language as solutions to the Prisoner's Dilemma that keeps almost all animals from cooperating via delayed reciprocation with nonkin. Reputational beliefs can suffer from two major kinds of errors – errors of about which person did what, and errors in appraising the value or damages caused by that act. Within clans (the small and immediately local kin group, or extended family, which formed a subset of a tribe), our large brains could minimize these errors, so that public reputation and coercive sanctions superceded the limited motivation provided by the counterparty's ability to cooperate or defect in the future as the main enforcer of delayed reciprocation. In both **** sapiens neanderthalis and **** sapiens sapiens, with the same large brain size, it is quite likely that every local clan member kept track of everybody other local clan member's favors. The use of collectibles for trade within the small local kin group may have been minimal. Between clans within a tribe both favor tracking and collectibles were used. Between tribes, collectibles entirely replaced reputation as the enforcer of reciprocation, although violence still played a major role in enforcing rights as well as being a high transaction cost that prevented most kinds of trade.

To be useful as a general-purpose store of wealth and means of wealth transfer, a collectible had to be embedded in at least one institution with a closed-loop cycle, so that the cost of discovering and/or manufacturing the object was amortized over multiple transactions. Furthermore, a collectible was not just any kind of beautiful decorative object. It had to have certain functional properties, such as the security of being wearable on the person, compactness for hiding or burial, and unforgeable costliness. That costliness must have been verifiable by the recipient of the transfer – using many of the same skills that collectors use to appraise collectibles today.

The theories presented in this paper can be tested by looking for these characteristics (or the lack of them) in the "valuables" often exchanged in these cultures, by examining the economic gains from the cycles through which these valuables move, and by observing preferences for objects with these characteristics in a wide variety of cultures (including modern ones).

With its unprecedented technology of cooperation, humans had become the most fearsome predator ever seen on the planet. They adapted to a shifting climate, while dozens of their large herd prey were driven, by the hunting and the climate change in America, Europe, and Asia, to extinction. Today, most large animals on the planet are afraid of projectiles – an adaption to only one species of predator [R97]. Cultures based more on gathering than hunting also greatly benefitted. A population explosion followed – **** sapiens sapiens was able to populate more parts of the planet and at a density over ten times that of **** sapiens neanderthalis [C94], despite weaker bones and no increase in brain size. Much of this increase may be attributed to the social institutions made possible by effective wealth transfer and language – trade, marriage, inheritance, tribute, collateral, and the ability to assess damages to dampen cycles of vengeance.

Primitive money was not modern money as we know it. It took on some of the function modern money now performs, but its form was that of heirlooms, jewelry, and other collectibles. The use of these is so ancient that the desires to explore, collect, make, display, appraise, carefully store, and trade collectibles are human universals – to some extent instincts. This constellation of human desires might be called the collecting instinct. Searching for the raw materials, such as shells and teeth, and manufacturing of collectibles took up a considerable portion of many ancient humans' time, just as many modern humans expend substantial resources on these activities as hobbies. The results for our ancient forebears were the first secure forms of embodied value very different from concrete utility – and the forerunner of today's money.
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In the future you get "money" for slow ponying zeno they're called z-notes
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08-09-2014 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by masque de Z
Humans and wolves have to approach very carefully each other initially before the path to the modern dog is explored.
Not necessarily. The mechanism of dog domestication is unknown and controversial. Many scientists believe that it was merely a matter of raising orphaned grey wolf cubs. There is experimental evidence to support this, as well as evidence from raising silver foxes. Other scientists minimize the proactive role of humans and hypothesize that certain wolves were naturally better at human interaction, and that this would have given them a selective advantage when permanent human settlements were formed. Yet it was only this latter view that was portrayed by Tyson in Cosmos as if it were established scientific fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_...#Domestication

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogs#History_and_evolution

However it occurred, I personally wish they'd reverse the process and send the yapping pooping vicious mutts back to the wild where they belong. I'm rooting for the rising population of coyotes to conquer them. Even better, wildcats.
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08-09-2014 , 07:20 PM
Naturally the process is implied metaphorically as a careful approach when in fact its a very complex thing over significant time. Of course it is gradual and of course its like the silver fox program or along these lines of gradual improvements over generations. But obviously you need some transition from seeing the animal as an enemy/threat first and vice versa to a cooperative system. As an idea not all humans will instantly jump to it either. It might even be suggested from some initial encounters where the animals werent entirely scared and humans explored the possibility later with cubs or whatever other mechanism. I didnt imply, here some (wild) wolf, lets feed him something and suddenly we are friends, although it wouldn't be impossible to have happened on occasion that way too briefly as they might be following humans and their kills or domesticated animals etc. All i meant was that the process of breakthrough is gradual and initially doesnt look easy, some jump is often needed for the idea to attain critical mass.
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08-09-2014 , 07:47 PM
Aren't we now talking about the probabilistic unfoldment of wholeness?

This is where I get confused with ends vs means, If we choose the wrong ones tho, I think bad things result. Perhaps because of illogics of the collective.

We had domesticated man in the same form of dogs in a sense for quite some time didn't we? This might be useful in the discussion of suppression and liberation.
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08-09-2014 , 10:23 PM
I am very much starting to consider the possibility that this is all some clever ruse.

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Originally Posted by masque de Z
I bet ex cathedra is exactly how it looked when someone suggested with conviction they all hunt together and share the food and the processing of the food for tools and clothes in the tribe 40k-100k years ago instead of being angry at each other and stealing each other's wives and food.
I would take even odds against. If the bet size were for $1 over the cost of building a time machine, I'd take even odds and pay for the time machine.

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Is law and all our institutions ex cathedra when defended?
No. The concepts don't even relate.

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How about their expansion to even more advantageous game theoretical states?
No. The concepts don't even relate.

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Fusion Zeno is something unnatural in the universe.
Fusion is now considered unnatural? That is a quite interesting development. I thought that the sun did such a thing naturally.

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But it takes you to a great sequence of places once the atoms at the cores of stars are pressed enough and start doing it. Barrier penetration is the key. It doesnt happen easily but then it takes you to a nice outcome. They do not happily get there and align to fuse.
**** me. I am now certain that you are ****ing with me. The bait is too easy though. I am not your trout. Everyone with even a few years of math and physics knows that you can get stuck at a local low on a graph.

Who put you up to this?!? Think, Brian, think! They must be clever. They laid out the amateurish trap of making masque claim to be rationally emotional, but that was far too easy. They know that you typically jump right on that sort of crap, but it was far too easy to see coming. There must be some land mine. What could it be?

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Barrier penetration to better game theory solutions is the very game we call civilization. Humans and wolves have to approach very carefully each other initially before the path to the modern dog is explored.
Et tu Bruce? I saw your clever little distraction.

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Of course it is only ex cathedra if the one suggesting whatever they are is not also incorporating in the suggestion a methodology to self correct the system itself at all times and re-evaluate its organization ie rejecting a static proposal from the beginning.
There is so much wrong with all that that I don't know where to begin.

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Who is ex cathedra now?
Still you. What positions have you flip-flopped on since this thread began?
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08-09-2014 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by G.Nouveau
http://nakamotoinstitute.org/shelling-out/

From the above link:


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In the future you get "money" for slow ponying zeno they're called z-notes
It is entirely wrong though. The reason why we have big brains is because we can cook.
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08-09-2014 , 10:53 PM
Confession: I have talked people into watching Krull.
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08-09-2014 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
It is entirely wrong though. The reason why we have big brains is because we can cook.
I think I see the Bohm/brain issue you might take. Bohm explained (as I understand him) the size of the brain came out of a "higher level" implicate order. Like mold spores maybe growing simultaneously. But not from a linear time so much.

Krishanmurti, and other Buddhist or monk types believe the mind can change the brain, so could probably grow it too. Although no one I can find agrees with K on the 'technique'. I still suspect you would.

I was forced/asked to watch a Ted talk, which I don't want to post because I think TED is silly (thats how ya'll put it), but the speaker feels that psychiatrists are generally guilty at not looking at the brain. Don't know if that question applies to you, whether you look at the brain.

Is it a ruse or not a ruse, how can one know? If its not, then I have a poker formula for any of the few of you, that I can't formulate (bohm definition), that we need to relavate.

If its a ruse, I can't be blamed for everything.
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08-09-2014 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by masque de Z
.............. Fusion Zeno is something unnatural in the universe..............
Not so! Fusion Zeno is something you order from a trendy San Francisco Restaurant at $125 a plate. No one knows what it is, which is why it so expensive. And you will enjoy it and rave over it; as you should.
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08-09-2014 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeno
Not so! Fusion Zeno is something you order from a trendy San Francisco Restaurant at $125 a plate. No one knows what it is, which is why it so expensive. And you will enjoy it and rave over it; as you should.
I thought it was a Japanese restaurant in Minneapolis. They dont accept commas. And yes, sushi is kind of unnatural.
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08-09-2014 , 11:55 PM
That's just Fusion that used to be called Zeno.
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08-10-2014 , 12:12 AM
There is nothing like "used to be Zeno". It is forever.
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08-10-2014 , 12:14 AM
No, Zeno has most definitely bitten the dust. It says so right here.
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08-10-2014 , 12:31 AM
I still think Zeno stays with you forever, even after the events of fusion though. Every last effort to penetrate the barrier takes an infinity for some people, especially if the fusion was happening as the system was crossing the horizon.

As a matter of fact there exists a particular solution of General Relativity, a lens type metric in a galaxy far away that a local observer sees the same place having both names. The left side "says" Fusion and the right Zeno.
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08-10-2014 , 12:39 AM
Its just that, and especially if MDZ and BTM are not inline in this content, then we have most certainly misread something. And I don't really care to bring up anything not related to poker. But if we do believe that a new "line" popular with "central banking" sheds light on asymptotically ideal money, then we MUST be able to see, that since poker sites function as banks, then the players always can observe this line and extrapolate from it to bring about asymptotically ideal poker (stabilization in the form of "effective" rake (or site profits in relation to deposits)).

I generally assumed ya'll were ****ing with me for some reason, but I understand the material is dense and maybe not really in your view.

If you are truly in disagreements, and Masque is forlorn about cooperation with regards to humanity...we need to take a real look at this.

I'm not here to make trouble, or be a pain, or troll...I just recently realized that the many people I've talked to this about, are not able to read the words in the way I have.

We have a solution to formalize, and the tool(s) to implement it, I've just been in disbelief the players cannot understand, but now I might have realized, 3 of the four important names in this thread might not have seen it. And the 1 doesn't seem to agree with Masque.

With the recent posts I've read of MDZ, I couldn't possibly think its not an incredibly significant and appropriate discussion. I've just been not appropriate because I thought it (ideal poker) was obvious.
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08-10-2014 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by masque de Z
As a matter of fact there exists a particular solution of General Relativity, a lens type metric in a galaxy far away that a local observer sees the same place having both names. The left side "says" Fusion and the right Zeno.
And if you read the website they linked, you see an article about removal of armpit hair.
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08-10-2014 , 01:34 AM
That no hair theorem/conjecture will prove a lie eventually.
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08-10-2014 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Zeno
Confession #66:

I will meet with trepidation the publication of...
I am looking forward to "Cooking With SMP."
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08-11-2014 , 01:10 AM
Confession #467.3: I see parallels between CSNY becoming CSN and in the break-up of Fleetwood Mac everywhere. I mean that figuratively, but they both suffice to show group dynamics. The second case was more interesting because there was significantly more sex.
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