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06-28-2014 , 09:17 PM
The truth behind those before and after pictures.

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07-06-2014 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BruceZ
You might have noticed that Dr. Oz was being grilled by the Senate yesterday
He would have been ok if he had trimmed his eyebrows.

New confession: I have followers on the twitter.
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08-03-2014 , 11:33 PM
I have worn a white sequined jumpsuit.
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08-04-2014 , 12:20 AM
I have masturbated to a Fanta commercial.
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08-04-2014 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
I have worn a white sequined jumpsuit.
Were you also disco dancing during your impressive fashion display.

Any gold chains? Coke spoon? What about the hair - permed?

(I just saw Starsky and Hutch on DVD last night) [my confession]
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08-06-2014 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
I have masturbated to a Fanta commercial.
This one?..........


Did you become the fourth Fantana?

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08-06-2014 , 03:04 PM
Was cleaning up some tar material from some tools using gasoline and then poured the used gasoline down between cracks in a concrete pad. This helps kill grasses/weeds that always grow between the cracks. Anyway, a spider, 5 mm in size and a uniform tan color, crawls from the crack, then turns over and starts thrashing the air with its legs. In obvious distress. I watched with interest. The thrashing continues - no relief from whatever was causing the odd behavior. I, using a small stone, gentle turn the spider over to its normal fighting position on its eight beautifully formed legs and observe some more. Jittering legs but no other movement. Perhaps it was too confused or incapacitated to make an instinctive escape. I then did the French thing - using the stone, that had a somewhat sharp edge, I cut the head off the spider. The body was still, the head was basically gone, and the spider's soul evaporated into the cosmic ether, presumably screaming curses at its tormentor.

Also today, I observed two black beetles copulating. The entire event lasted less than twenty seconds I think (did not observe the (if any) preliminary or first activities). Repeated thrusting by male to females under parts, male 'on top'. After the festivities both beetles scurried off in different directions. Scurrying about is what most beetles do about 99.9 % of the time based on my cursory observations. I let both beetles live on. Gods do that sometimes, just for laughs.
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08-06-2014 , 03:27 PM
Why did you have to kill the spider and not observe it to see if it recovered or even help it? A being that tries to recover is brave enough and deserves a chance to make it for not giving up. I always try to trap spiders i find indoors and take them out. I am guilty of killing other insects though because they mess with my system and i want an entirely clean environment from pests like that. Spiders clean up the environment though trapping the other insects lol. They help! If they are found though they are taken out always.
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08-06-2014 , 04:49 PM
I will let BTM2 explain. If he has time, once he finishes masturbating to Fanta Commercials.

I kill innumerable insects every time I drive my car; also many birds and small mammals and a few big mammals (deer). I will wager that I kill something every time I drive my car. I will continue to drive and I will continue to kill - I don't even think about it or give it an once of consideration 99.99% of the time. Only time I gave it any thought was hitting a deer and having to call the insurance company to report it and have my car fixed. I avoid hitting humans - too much hassle would result and I hate being on the lamb.
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08-06-2014 , 06:59 PM
Right after he explains himself to himself first...and his tilting approach to ..."teaching".

The difference between killing insects while driving (which i bet they are not spiders usually if at all) is that you collide with them and you didnt intend to kill them necessarily. You do not drive in order to kill insects or other animals. We kill and depend on a ton of bacteria over all our lives too. We eat thousands of animals too. And yet this is not a hypocrisy because all those deaths served a purpose and maybe one day we can avoid them by engineering our food to be superior and tasty, not from a killed animal, and not while enriching some corporation whose maximization algorithms give us cancer etc...

The spider was killed for who knows what reason, maybe the worse of them because you could. It is not at all the same as killing it to remove it from home because it was a nuisance. It came from a position of no particular stress/threat/necessity. Unless the purpose was to test whether removing the head allows the rest of the body to continue to move or a mercy killing to end the torture etc. Only you can know that. We can then call it a scientific experiment but then what about next time, what is it then?

Nobody is going to seriously accuse you of killing a spider, lol. Not me. Obviously, this is not what is happening here. Only you can do that just before or just after. And one day in the future a species that can do that to an animal and then revive it will join you and i in such experiments and if it is wise enough, it will still regret eventually the exhibition of power, even in its ultimate form when it goes full circle serving no pure purpose. One can only hope machines dont do that to us one day or an alien civilization to an "inferior" weaker one.

Then again of course ethics/morality are a function of the condition of stress you find yourself. When life is good and secure you can afford to be kind...And you know what type of society enables that.





I am not a hypocrite Zeno. I once saved a little canary infant that its mother apparently had thrown out of the nest or didnt care to retrieve it. The poor little bird didnt have fully developed legs. The canary lived, it was not rejected again from its mother after it was placed back at the nest by a young version of myself. And yet over a year later, when the poor bird grew up, daily tormenting itself to manage to survive without proper fingers formed, mostly finding itself in the ground injured, bleeding, i had finally become the ultimate torturer, the killer of a thousand mornings...But i and the bird were not betrayed by my kindness. We were only betrayed by the naivete of youth and the reality of our era, that could not fix that bird's fingers, when in some not so distant future such elaborate biological intervention would complete the process. And yet such powerful scientific and technological position is born out of trillions of prior deaths...

It is a rise from the abyss of pure selfish survival, lack of power and wisdom what we do...Killing will never be a sport for me. But i remain aware that the ultimate crime may one day be born out of pure kindness...Our world is so intriguing that way...
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08-06-2014 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeno
I will let BTM2 explain. If he has time, once he finishes masturbating to Fanta Commercials.

I kill innumerable insects every time I drive my car; also many birds and small mammals and a few big mammals (deer). I will wager that I kill something every time I drive my car. I will continue to drive and I will continue to kill - I don't even think about it or give it an once of consideration 99.99% of the time. Only time I gave it any thought was hitting a deer and having to call the insurance company to report it and have my car fixed. I avoid hitting humans - too much hassle would result and I hate being on the lamb.
Yes. Collateral damage. No different than any other collateral damage. I'm glad that you killed the spider. It is the sort of excellent behavior that I would expect of any halfway decent human and the story was an excellent analogy as to why it is better to be a fighter pilot than a marine.

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Originally Posted by masque de Z
Right after he explains himself to himself first...and his tilting approach to ..."teaching".
Explain myself to myself? As in knowing myself? I know lots of things about myself:

I don't have infinite patience and don't always recognize when someone has a perpetually sore and sensitive vagina. That is a level of self-awareness that few people obtain. Of course, that has nothing to do with our interactions, and is just a general observation about me.

As far as me explaining myself to myself regarding our interactions, I would do that by myself. You will have to trust that I have. Apparently, I have difficulty recognizing that you are always correct and have assembled within yourself all of the collective knowledge from all fields of study. I am working on fixing that deficit within myself and thank you for you repeatedly reminding me. Hopefully, it will sink in eventually. With any luck, you will have the patience while I continue to improve myself.

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The difference between killing insects while driving (which i bet they are not spiders usually if at all) is that you collide with them and you didnt intend to kill them necessarily. You do not drive in order to kill insects or other animals. We kill and depend on a ton of bacteria over all our lives too. We eat thousands of animals too. And yet this is not a hypocrisy because all those deaths served a purpose and maybe one day we can avoid them by engineering our food to be superior and tasty, not from a killed animal, and not while enriching some corporation whose maximization algorithms give us cancer etc...

The spider was killed for who knows what reason, maybe the worse of them because you could. It is not at all the same as killing it to remove it from home because it was a nuisance. It came from a position of no particular stress/threat/necessity. Unless the purpose was to test whether removing the head allows the rest of the body to continue to move or a mercy killing to end the torture etc. Only you can know that. We can then call it a scientific experiment but then what about next time, what is it then?

Nobody is going to seriously accuse you of killing a spider, lol. Not me. Obviously, this is not what is happening here. Only you can do that just before or just after. And one day in the future a species that can do that to an animal and then revive it will join you and i in such experiments and if it is wise enough, it will still regret eventually the exhibition of power, even in its ultimate form when it goes full circle serving no pure purpose. One can only hope machines dont do that to us one day or an alien civilization to an "inferior" weaker one.

Then again of course ethics/morality are a function of the condition of stress you find yourself. When life is good and secure you can afford to be kind...And you know what type of society enables that.





I am not a hypocrite Zeno. I once saved a little canary infant that its mother apparently had thrown out of the nest or didnt care to retrieve it. The poor little bird didnt have fully developed legs. The canary lived, it was not rejected again from its mother after it was placed back at the nest by a young version of myself. And yet over a year later, when the poor bird grew up, daily tormenting itself to manage to survive without proper fingers formed, mostly finding itself in the ground injured, bleeding, i had finally become the ultimate torturer, the killer of a thousand mornings...But i and the bird were not betrayed by my kindness. We were only betrayed by the naivete of youth and the reality of our era, that could not fix that bird's fingers, when in some not so distant future such elaborate biological intervention would complete the process. And yet such powerful scientific and technological position is born out of trillions of prior deaths...

It is a rise from the abyss of pure selfish survival, lack of power and wisdom what we do...Killing will never be a sport for me. But i remain aware that the ultimate crime may one day be born out of pure kindness...Our world is so intriguing that way...
What you just said is absolutely 100% correct. Every word of it. No alternative moral sentiments could stand up to it. Those alternative moral sentiments would run scurrying in horror due to the light you have held up to them that shows their incorrectness. Your moral opinions are of such strength as to be considered facts.

Thank you for taking the time to teach us your infinite wisdom.
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08-07-2014 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Zeno
This one?..........
Actually, probably most of them...

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Originally Posted by Zeno
Were you also disco dancing during your impressive fashion display.

Any gold chains? Coke spoon? What about the hair - permed?

(I just saw Starsky and Hutch on DVD last night) [my confession]
It is far worse than that. It was in a sacrilicious experimental production of Jesus Christ Superstar. I played both Judas and Jesus. I don't mean that I played both characters during the running of the show. I played them both during each performance.

The director looked exactly like John Waters and had a penchant for wearing a cravat. Looking back, I am fairly certain that the entire production was to get a teenage boy to do the maximum number of costume changes possible.

I did also have loads of gold chains and a poodle-perm, but not when I was in this particular production. No coke spoon. Coke takes me from being a wee bit puckish to being downright dangerous to the people around me. ****ing squares.
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08-07-2014 , 03:45 AM
Nothing collapses easier a superpower than infighting. It wont be different with this board.
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08-07-2014 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
It is far worse than that. It was in a sacrilicious experimental production of Jesus Christ Superstar. I played both Judas and Jesus. I don't mean that I played both characters during the running of the show. I played them both during each performance.

The director looked exactly like John Waters
Not playing both Jesus and Mary? That could have been divine.
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08-07-2014 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
****ing squares.
Is that how cokeheads think? (Serious question.)
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08-07-2014 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by lastcardcharlie
Is that how cokeheads think? (Serious question.)
It pretty much removes all fear/self-doubt which makes everyone else appear to be annoyingly overly cautious, so yes. Fortunately, I never really got into it.
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08-07-2014 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by masque de Z
Nothing collapses easier a superpower than infighting. It wont be different with this board.
I agree 100%. That is why whenever anyone says anything at all it is imperative that everyone else agrees heartily with them instead of offering up any debate.

Disagreement, debate, dissention, disunity and dialectical dispute; all must be denied any existence because they are the perfect equivalents of derision, disdain, detestation and disgust.

I'd add that there is no difference at all between telling someone that their ideas are wrong and stating that they are a horrible person. The same is true for questioning ideas - it is no different than claiming that the person is dumb as a box of rocks. Such things are just rude, degrading and hurtful and should not be tolerated.
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08-07-2014 , 03:28 PM
Sarcastic supercilious psychometrist sardonically satirizes splenetic Stanford scientist's sciolisitic sententious statements.
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08-07-2014 , 03:53 PM
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It pretty much removes all fear/self-doubt which makes everyone else appear to be annoyingly overly cautious, so yes.
Yeah, that fits (I used to know one).

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Fortunately, I never really got into it.
Nobody said you did. Don't be so defensive.
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08-07-2014 , 04:14 PM
I "think" this is appropriate and I am trying to be:

Coming home from an international martial arts competition, we (our team) were just getting off the plane when an "older" gentleman in a wheelchair (procedure to let him off first yet him and his escorts were still waiting just off the plane) tugged on my martial arts jacket (instructor made us wear them and any medals the whole way home).

He didn't look to well on that day but managed to ask "Are you some kinda team or something"

Some old guys are just interested in talking to the youngins about random stuff, plus we were still beaming from the trip and feeling like rock stars.

All cocky and proud I said "Oh ya team (my country) martial arts!" and pointed to my jacket which in hind sight he'd obviously just read.

"Cool...did you win!?"

"YUP!" (coach told us all to say this regardless)

He just smiled and I turned away wondering when the next person would call me aside to inquire about our "accomplishments"

I guess I kinda thought I'd made an impression on him or brightened his day some.

My instructor came running up behind me frantically and grabbed my on the shoulder "Do you know who that is!!!"

I kinda gave him a "pfft" look.

Spoiler:
"Pat Morita"
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08-07-2014 , 04:25 PM
Did he say, "If karate used to defend honor, defend life, then karate mean something. But if Karate used to defend plastic metal trophy, then karate no mean nothing."?
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08-07-2014 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BruceZ
Did he say, "If karate used to defend honor, defend life, then karate mean something. But if Karate used to defend plastic metal trophy, then karate no mean nothing."?
not sure I wasn't listening but ya, he did.

The other relevant confession is that one of the main reason I fled from 'academics' or university, was my problem with participating in lectures and classroom discussions.

I can maybe loosely call it a formula or a balance. If you answer all the questions or especially the hard ones, eventually you get put in your place "Now try letting someone else answer"

But if you remain silent, the teacher KNOWS you are not being honest (and will often call one out on it).

Trying to find the correct balance, i suppose, caused me to detest the whole structure, or that maybe the energy involved (in finding the balance point) was too much for me.
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08-08-2014 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
I agree 100%. That is why whenever anyone says anything at all it is imperative that everyone else agrees heartily with them instead of offering up any debate.

Disagreement, debate, dissention, disunity and dialectical dispute; all must be denied any existence because they are the perfect equivalents of derision, disdain, detestation and disgust.

I'd add that there is no difference at all between telling someone that their ideas are wrong and stating that they are a horrible person. The same is true for questioning ideas - it is no different than claiming that the person is dumb as a box of rocks. Such things are just rude, degrading and hurtful and should not be tolerated.
Do not confuse the healthy debating and cooperative exchange of ideas with infighting. In a healthy interaction the objective is the truth and the mutual education/advancement of those involved. Disagreement is supported with evidence and respect of the other side is constant. The process is the winner. In infighting selfish winning is the object. At all costs often.

And although an approach that focuses on winning may occasionally strengthen the effort of each side to combat, unless it eventually resigns for the common benefit, obeying no particular ego, it will remain divisive and unattractive to most people that recognize a happy wise person is calm, caring, kind even in disagreement and open minded, unable to derive pleasure by the persistent friction with others. An intellectual friend is not a 19th century strict German school teacher.

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08-08-2014 , 12:13 AM
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Do not confuse the healthy debating and cooperative exchange of ideas with infighting. In a healthy interaction the objective is the truth and the mutual education /advancement of those involved. Disagreement is supported with evidence and respect of the other side is constant. The process is the winner. In infighting selfish winning is the object. At all costs often.

And although an approach that focuses on winning may occasionally strengthen the effort of each side to combat , unless it eventually resigns for the common benefit, obeying no particular ego, it will remain divisive and unattractive to most people that recognize a happy wise person is calm, caring, kind even in disagreement and open minded, unable to derive pleasure by the persistent friction with others. An intellectual friend is not a 19th century strict German school teacher.
Check the time stamp on a PM I sent you. Watch the video carefully. Rewind if necessary.

I will decide whether we are friend or foe based on your response to it. I am quite sure that we are friend, but your recent behavior makes me doubt that.
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08-08-2014 , 12:29 AM
A polemic /pəˈlɛmɪk/ is a contentious argument that is intended to establish the truth of a specific understanding and the falsity of the contrary position. Polemics are mostly seen in arguments about very controversial topics. The art or practice of such argumentation is called polemics. A person who often writes polemics, or who speaks polemically, is a polemicist or a polemic.[1] The word is derived from the Greek πολεμικός (polemikos), meaning "warlike, hostile",[2][3] which comes from πόλεμος (polemos), "war".[4]

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