No one can eat fifty eggs.

What is the negative influence of so many eggs per day? Isnt that kind of extreme for cholesterol and heart? I mean i know its not as big a deal as some idiotically think/thought and made it a big issue for years and studies show lately no problem with 1-2 per day for extended periods of consumption. I eat about 1 per day on avg but not training for anything (occasionally 2 or 3 at most but then some days with none also). But going to like 10 plus a day may be a problem if done for some extended period of time that may severely influence certain areas that tests have studied for far less consumption, not such extreme magnitude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_%28...9#Health_risks


Just research it a bit more with the understanding that recent research last decade has changed the negative viewpoint of decades earlier on eggs but i doubt they tested such extreme consumption.

You need more calories if you want to get bigger. Who told you that you'd get bigger by going on a low calorie diet?

To be clear, I meant a 4:1 ratio of carbs to protein in the recovery formula immediately after a workout, not a 4:1 ratio for your whole diet.

I eat 6 times a day. I'm not sure what foods to eat so I aimed for high protein foods like steak or chicken with veg. I don't eat fatty or sugary foods. I don't eat bread either. I don't want to get fat either. I want lean bulk muscle.

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You "don't know what foods to eat" so you randomly picked to not eat "fatty" "sugary" and "bread"?!?

I wasn't asking you a question. I was actually telling you that you aren't eating enough calories to gain weight. If you were, you'd be gaining weight. You are more than welcome to try to add more broccoli. An extra 55 cups of broccoli per week should add about a pound to your size and is a healthy tasty treat.

sure I could eat cake and choc. all day long but I don't think that will build the shape I want.

jesuz...can you not...you know provide an example of what foods to eat.

Yes. Add bread, potatoes, full milk, cream, butter, olive oil, cake, chocolate.*

Add sufficient amount to raise daily calories by about 200 or so. Try for a few weeks. If no weight gain, add another 200 calories per day. Rinse, repeat.

*If you think that these foods have magical powers, then do whatever you were going to do. You should probably cut back on the eggs so you don't become eggy.

its muscle mass that I'm after not just weight*

I was told by other body builders to stay clear of bread so I won't do bread. I just doubt that eating choc. is going to be good for me. I have a small frame all extra weight goes to my stomach area and its hard to shift. I want bulk muscle in chest, arms and a 6 pack not fat and flab.

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If you aren't gaining muscle, then you aren't getting enough calories. Your body isn't smart enough to place the chocolate bar on top of your abs to punish you for eating something yummy.

Also, possibly you just aren't capable of gaining much muscle size.

More to the point, if other bodybuilders are telling you to not eat bread, that implies that you have access to them. You might want to ask them instead of us.

Actually it is, or rather, it's too dumb to not punish you. When you spike your blood sugar, you release insulin, and that triggers fat storage mode. When you're storing fat, you're not burning fat. It takes time to get out of that mode because your body isn't perfectly efficient. Then if you actually need those calories, your body tells you its hungry again and forces you to eat. That's why sugary snacks and white bread are called "empty calories". If you want your muscles to show, you need to keep the fat off, and you should avoid white bread, sugar, and processed foods that pack in an enormous amount of hidden carbs. Proteins and fats don't spike your blood sugar. They can satiate you with fewer calories, and they actually require more calories to metabolize. If you have fat to burn, then your caloric requirements should come from your stored fat, not from cake.

Except that he is trying to get bigger muscles. Insulin triggers muscle growth.

Obviously, if he is tubby, the advice doesn't apply and he shouldn't be too concerned that his muscles don't appear to be growing.

Insulin increases uptake of glucose by muscles, and also of amino acids which are used to build protein that make muscles stronger. That's the purpose of the recovery cocktails used after workouts that have a 4:1 carb to protein ratio. It isn't all simple carbs like cake; there is a mix of simple and complex carbs. But most insulin stays in the liver where it acts to increase fat storage and inhibit fat breakdown.

I've gained plenty of muscle on restricted calorie diets of 500-1000 calories per day. I didn't grow to the size of Schwarznegger, but I got pretty ripped and a lot stronger.

EDIT: To be fair, I was juicing (on juice, not steroids) which actually does spike blood sugar. The one time I tried a calorie restricted low carb diet, I didn't gain as much strength, but I attributed that to other things.

I just lost 50 pounds in 3 months of dieting (4 months total with "intermissions") by eating nothing but meat/vegetables/eggs and snacks of cheese and nuts. This is a plan where you have all of your food sent to you, but it isn't one of the big national ones you've probably heard of, and it has many advantages over those. You don't need any supplemental food, it's low carb, no processed foods, it tastes quite good, and yet it's the least expensive of any I have seen. The key is portion control. You'd be amazed how little food you can eat and not be hungry when you eat the right kind of food and start burning fat for fuel. You could eventually eat the same way with food you buy in the store if you know how to cook, but the program basically teaches you how to eat. I wouldn't have thought that I could be satisfied with so little food, but I never get hungry. Each portion is prepackaged, so there's no eating more than the allocated amount. And it's is very convenient as you only have to microwave stuff for a few minutes. There's quite a lot of variety, and you can choose the entrees and vegetables you like. The only suggested exercise is to walk 3000 steps per day which takes me less than half an hour. PM me if you're interested in the name of the program.

How the heck were you juicing and on a vlcd at the same time?!?

You are naturally big, correct?

Diet keeps you in ketosis the entire time? How was your mood during it?

JFC, 50 lbs. is a lot. Assuming that you needed to lose the weight, congrats.

There aren't a lot of calories in juice. This is freshly prepared juice, not store bought stuff loaded with sugar.

1 grapefruit: 150 at most
1 pound of carrots: 200
1 cup parsely: 20
1/2 cantaloupe: 75
2 apples: < 200
2 stalks of celery: 18

That's a day's worth, 4-5 glasses of juice, and I usually skipped the celery apple juice. 3 days a week I added 2 protein powder shakes that got the calories to around 1000. No solid food. Running 5 miles or lifting weights most days, both on Sunday. The juice did a good job of killing hunger.


When I don't eat garbage, I'm a middleweight. My ideal weight is 160. I just went from 240 to 190, so I have more to go. I've lost 40 pounds a number of times throughout my life, but I never lost this much this fast. Not on juice diets while working out like crazy. Not on Atkins while working out like crazy. Not even doing the Insanity program (extremely difficult).


WHAT'S THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN? I'm just kidding. I felt fine. Very steady. I feel more jittery when I eat garbage. I would imagine I have to always be in ketosis, but I didn't do the urine strips this time. I did them when I was on Atkins. Then they turn dark purple. Then when you eat a few Nutty Bars, they don't change colors anymore, and it takes days for them to change color again. It's a raw deal. When I go back to eating garbage, I don't really enjoy it. But if I eat enough of it anyway, my hunger comes back with a vengeance, and then I can't stop eating it. Bread and sugar make you hungry. So it's best to just stay in the zone.

It is surprising to me that this would kill hunger (because of the blood sugar spike).

I would guess that you are getting fewer carbs (and probably fewer total calories) on the new diet than on Atkins if you are losing weight faster. Obviously fewer carbs than on the juice diet.

It is a heck of a lot of work to burn calories through exercise. Much less effort to just not take them in, imo.

Some people are like that (the last bit). I think it is kind of like how some people are perfectly fine not drinking at all and perfectly fine drinking a crap load and incapable of maintaining a middle ground.

I think you will enjoy:

The carrot parsley juice does a good job. I could seriously want a burger, drink that, and then I don't want it anymore.


Yeah, Atkins says not to count calories and just eat until you're satisfied, but I don't think that works nearly as well as limiting portions. I was eating way way more steak, chicken, bacon, and cheese than I am now, and it isn't necessary. You can stop eating after a much smaller amount of food, and you'll still be satisfied because it takes time for your brain to realize you ate something. That's a good trick.

I figured out how much a typical meal on the new plan is, and it came out to 1200 or 1700 depending on whether I eat nuts or some other snack. The nuts make a huge difference calorie-wise.


Aerobic exercise burns a significant number of calories while you're doing it, while weightlifting builds muscle that raises your metabolism and burns calories all the time, even while you sleep. Running a mile burns about .63 times your weight in pounds above your basal metabolism, so if you're 160-200 pounds, running 5 miles burns 500-630 calories. But you can burn a thousand with even more strenuous exercise like Insanity. Plus it has other benefits like improving your cardiovascular fitness and making you look and feel better. It's been my experience that cardiovascular fitness can improve very rapidly. I can do something that has me huffing and puffing like I'm going to die, and just a few days later I can be handle it without even breathing hard. Plus I enjoy seeing my times go down and my weights go up. If you run fast enough, the speed itself becomes a rush, and you can release endorphins. Being sedentary slows your metabolism.

I think there's more going on with metabolism and weight loss than we fully understand. If 3500 excess calories meant you always gain a pound, I should weigh thousands of pounds by now with all the crap I've eaten. Conversely, I've been on very low calorie diets training hard for weeks and months without my weight budging. It seems to defy the laws of physics.


I can easily go years without touching alcohol, but when I do drink, it's usually epic. I'd tell stories, but potential future employers read this kind of stuff now.


That guy is pretty much exactly how I look now.

I'm pretty sure that I could skip the juice by making it a rule that I can only have a hamburger after the juice.

Could probably get me to skip an entire day's food if I also have to clean the juicer prior to the first non-juice meal of the day.

It is amazing that we don't learn such things in school...

I imagine that it is common experience to think that "satisfied" means "stuffed to the gills" rather than "not hungry." Nothing of course wrong with feeling stuffed as it is an enjoyable state...

1200-1700 per meal or per day?

I don't disagree at all, but it is telling if you consider that a McDouble costs about a 4 mile run.

Don't we kind of already know these things? A person having consistent metabolic and digestive efficiency seems a bit strange to assume.

The juice doesn't taste bad. The juicer is quite easy to clean. All the pieces just rinse off, except the part with the little holes, and you just brush that a little bit while the water runs over it. Takes a few minutes.


Sorry, per day.


A lot of the diet experts seem to not talk about it much or consider it a second order effect. I saw one guy that tried to explain some of these things, like how people on the Biggest Loser can lose so much so fast, or why you don't lose at a constant rate, or why you don't just keep losing once you reach a certain weight, and so forth. It was interesting, and he made a lot of good points, but even taking everything into account, the numbers really don't seem to add up. Then you have the endless debates between the guys that actually do put a lot of emphasis on insulin and other hormones, and the other guys that act like that's mostly pseudoscience, and there doesn't seem to be any real authority to sort out who's right.

I've owned a juicer. Juicer:Brian::Garage-Opening-Guy:Bruce.

The sad thing is that the previous statement is a bit untrue. I've owned 3 juicers. Not really sure why. I am fairly sure that the "if you don't succeed, try, try again" is one of the biggest half-truths ever told.

I figured, but if it weren't it would be the best diet ever!

Generally, it is best to just be capable of identifying likely charlatans.

I never had a problem with my juicer. I have a L'Equip like this one. A long time ago I had a Juiceman Juicer from the guy with the eyebrows, but that broke down. The L'Equip is more powerful, smooth, and solid. No more expensive either, in fact now they are cheaper.

The garage guy now has his garage filled solid with stuff he's storing for someone, and no cars or people can get in or out. So you'd think there would be no reason to open and close the door anymore, but I still heard it several times this morning. He must just sit in his house and play with the opener.


You might have noticed that Dr. Oz was being grilled by the Senate yesterday for making claims for weight loss products that had scant scientific support. There are charlatans that stress insulin and other hormones, but not all people who stress insulin and other hormones are necessarily charlatans. Dr. Atkins for example. Clearly some people have insulin resistance, and people have different metabolic rates, and insulin and hormones certainly play a key role. The best research and metastudies show that low carb diets work at least as well as other types of diets for weight loss, which means they probably work better. How much better and exactly why they work is up for debate. But the takeaway for the dieter would seem to be do low carb for best weight loss unless there is some other compelling reason not to. I don't think many would disagree that protein and fat fill you up better than most carbs, or that it takes more calories to digest them. But people are different, and some people may do better with a different ratio of carbs. The Zone diet for example is a little more balanced than phase 1 of Atkins, but still not high carb. It was invented by a biochemist. In the 70s, high protein diets were popular. In the 80s, low fat and high carb was all the rage. In the 90s, the pendulum swung back to Atkins. Then in the milllenium, it went to a more balanced approach like Zone. Now people are into the Paleo diet where you're supposed to eat like our stone age ancestors. While that diet may be pretty good, it's premise is questionable for a lot of reasons.

I don't find Pismo Beach to be all that bad.

Most high level athletes eat large amounts of food that most would consider 'unhealthy' because they burn 5000+ calories per day when training. It's VERY difficult to consume 5000+ calories a day eating food that isn't very calorically dense. For proof go into the dining area of any university and look for the athletes. They'll be sitting there eating plates stacked 24" tall with pizza, grilled cheese sandwiches, and deserts. To gain weight you need to take in more calories than you're using. Period. You can do that any way you want, but it's the exercise that is building your shape, not your food.

http://theweek.com/article/index/231...ance-olympians

this is true, but to gain muscle you don't need the caloric intake above usage. You only need proteins to come regularly in your body during the day so your body doesn't start tearing muscle for fuel vs fat (you need to be in positive nitrogen balance to build muscle - not positive caloric surplus)

obviously this works with 200-300 cal deficit not 1k deficit