Originally Posted by madnak
This is absurd. First of all, not everyone has happy moments. Second, most people don't know what it's like to be really depressed. Most people get out of bed every single day of their lives, they certainly don't have any clue what it's like to be unable to do so due to depression.
Originally Posted by Hoopman20
I think your first comment is what is really absurd. Psychopaths are unable to empathize, and feelings of happiness may also evade some very narrowly categorized groups of individuals. Apart from those very special cases, everyone has experienced the feeling/emotion of happiness.
Second, I didn't say REALLY depressed, I said depressed, having a depressing moment, or the feeling of depression.
Your post contains the absurdities.
You are both being silly. Hoopman, happiness and depression might not be on a continuous distribution. Madnak, they might be on a continuous distribution.
Hoopman, it might be a trait rather than a state. Madnak, it might be a state rather than a trait.
What seems clear is that some people are having a good day today, and others are not. Whether those states are potentially permanent and irrevocable is an interesting subject, but relatively unimportant on an individual level.
The reason it lacks real importance is because people strive to not be miserable. It is the motivation to be happy (loosely defined and admittedly circular) that drives us.
So, what matters is whether cbt is something that people can use to chase this nebulous happiness thing. Since it seems clear that some people are using really bad strategies, it makes sense that teaching them better strategies is possibly useful.
Of course, it might be the same as a get rich scheme, but the advocates seem genuinely concerned about the welfare of their patients.