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I never said it was ethical to take advantage of the casino but any investor is responsible for due diligence into the competence of a casino they invest in and due diligence is transitive in this respect so the ethics of taking advantage of casino isn't changed by it being shared ownership.

Right, so the casino (and I) ought take reasonable precautions to ensure that they aren't cheated.

That doesn't change the ethics for the potential cheater at all. If I break into your apartment, it doesn't make it better if you forgot to lock up. It also doesn't matter (as far as ethics go) whether I break into your apartment if you have several roommates just because the harm is distributed among several people.

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The ethics of taking advantage of a casino are changed if an employee might get into trouble.

That would make it considerably better. Working at a casino sucks.

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10-23-2014 , 05:57 PM

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chezlaw

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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2

it's not cheating, at least in the UK at least we can be fairly sure of that now. Its 'taking advantage of' and taking advantage of a casino is ethically different to taking advantage in a home game (not that it matters, just saying).

Home games rely on a level of trust between all players, casinos do not rely on trusting the players in casino games but rely on controlling the situation - the ethical situation is quite different.

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10-28-2014 , 01:53 PM

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Zeno

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Originally Posted by drowkcableps

Made me wonder.. Are the more diligent more entitled?

Not nessessarily, but they are better armed, and in more ways than one. The non-diligent shall be swept from the Earth or at least trampled underfoot. That is the way of the world. I only report: I don't run the place.

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10-29-2014 , 12:53 AM

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BrianTheMick2

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

I doubt that you would be arrested for edge sorting in a home game, even in the UK.

I am positive that you don't get to take home your winnings if you edge sort at a casino and they notice.

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Home games rely on a level of trust between all players, casinos do not rely on trusting the players in casino games but rely on controlling the situation - the ethical situation is quite different.

Have you never played in a private game?!?

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10-29-2014 , 06:02 AM

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chezlaw

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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2

I doubt that you would be arrested for edge sorting in a home game, even in the UK.

I am positive that you don't get to take home your winnings if you edge sort at a casino and they notice.

Edge sorting is cheating in the UK (we can be certain of that as well).

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Have you never played in a private game?!?

I have, a fairly high degree of trust is petty vital in my experience, they die otherwise.

I've played in non money bridge games as well and that's far worse. I'd suggest that's partly because the trust is less vital because it's not for money. though it's also because there are partners.

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10-29-2014 , 06:04 AM

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dereds

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

I've played in non money bridge games as well and that's far worse. I'd suggest that's partly because the trust is less vital because it's not for money. though it's also because there are partners.

I used to play pinochle online before the poker boom and the amount of cheating in games where the only incentive was some yahoo score was nuts.

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