What would languishing over a calculus or computer science book have to do with IQ?

Those entrepreneurs simply hire the smarties to work out the details. People magazine may be devoid of anything worth reading, but it does not print itself. A lvl 100 person does not wake up one day and decide to exploit the masses. They are the masses.


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You just proved my point for me. Wynn hires smarty's to do technical work for him. I'm sure these brainiacs would score much higher on IQ tests than the likes of Wynn or Trump ever could, but the technical guys end up working for the entrepreneurial businessman.

The point being, people skills isn't just a skill for low level managers and people that work in the service industry.

The OP's premise is that an individual could only be considered smart if they are highly analytical and score high on quantitative tests. I have provided examples where it is more +EV for an individual to completely shun the pursuit of theoretical or quantitative knowledge ex: Kim Kardashian.

Meaning if Kim decided to get a degree in actuary science compared to being a reality star, then it would have cost her a fortune. You can argue that she is a luckbox, but, how do you know she didn't make an intelligent, calculated risk, that involved a lot of imagination and creativity of how the masses would consume her brand?

I doubt her IQ is 100, but how can we call her dumb? Her long-term vision of how the masses of consumers would react to her brand came into fruition.

The same argument can apply to a lot of artists. Eddie Murphy had two stand-up acts by the time he was 22. Do you think he paid attention during math class? How about Richard Pryor? Aren't we better off as a society that Pryor decided to do comedy versus get a degree in accounting?

A lot of people on this forum have called me dumb, yet they offer nothing interesting to say and are only good at regurgitating information they have been taught by others (not including OP in this, I find his posts interesting).

Creative thinking shouldn't be discarded just because someone may have used their creative thinking to come to a factually wrong conclusion. New ideas inspire new solutions. Shunning creative thinkers and calling them dumb is oppressive and dull.

I would never call you dumb, but your posts are capped out IQ wise.


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Please do your self a favor and not ever again use this f$%$$ing C*NT kardashian in the same sentence with IQ, for the word was precisely created for the likes of her and never as a recreational insult to anyone else. Look at the trash joke low class story her family is and the morons that care to watch their bs. The same morons that make the election of a Trump possible on both sides of the parties. That is low class America for you in all its glory. Do not even ever go there looking for talent. Luckbox, familybox and bsbox all the same time. Lohan and Hilton also. Shame on this "culture" that rewards such bs. So many more millions of decent people out there nobody cares for.

Real porn stars are probably vastly more ethical people by the way moreover the problems they also have usually.

What specifically has she done that suggests she has a low IQ?

Here, here. Having vision, foresight and being resourceful are largely functions of creativity and imagination. Measuring creativity specifically is a little more difficult than IQ in general.

Our education systems, for the most part spit out adults that play and think within some predefined and limiting set of guidelines. Learning to absolve yourself of this comes more naturally to some but not always those with high IQs.

The high IQers who love talking about IQ, all the while working in a lab 10 hrs a day for some idiotic manager. The high IQers who thrive in the structured education system and then after graduating unable to see a way out of the larger and more limiting cage in which they find themselves. The high IQers who settle for security over life itself.

Whatever she did was not because of IQ. She didnt make some calculation that hey we will score a homerun now this way and if she did she is a whore for such calculation or an exhibitionist in a failed society that got lucky too because endless women play the same game anyway and are better at it even.

Of course she has a reasonably decent IQ likely but more than everything she is a calculating person that got lucky in circumstances and connections and nothing better. Great product of the Seacrest bs line of products. Everyone of low ethics and willing to do anything will go places in a failed society if they get a break beginning money-wise and then stick with a cycle of bs gossip endless voyeurism.

What did she do with the 5 mil she got from vivid? What does that make her, a victim? If she had any honor she would use that money to eg create a foundation to help women that get into porn and later regret it and cannot escape easily the system in place but would like to have a new start differently with some guidance. (by the way i am not a puritanical hypocrite, do not read any negative position about porn industry as a concept in general, only about how it probably happens often destroying some people). That is one way to get out of this bs tape story and look good very good indeed. I bet that would be a great IQ choice also.


And would we be here without OJ scumbag loser murdering 2 people and his dream team defense?

The overall point here is that she is not rich today because of any IQ or any emotional greatness in IQ. Bs luck makes every day success stories out of opportunist scum. Movies like Hero (1992) and Quiz Show (1994) got it very right (with even much better and more ethical players but creations of the bs culture anyway and not their own making). The bs culture makes them and then breaks them even.

"Teach the ignorant as much as you can; society is culpable in not providing a free education for all and it must answer for the night which it produces. If the soul is left in darkness sins will be committed. The guilty one is not he who commits the sin, but he who causes the darkness."

Victor Hugo

True then and true in other similar ways today. The greatest darkness can be the product of plenty of light in the wrong places. The way the stupid society treats celebrities is creating pathetic examples to youth. It cultivates cynicism and elevates a calculation founded behavior to the norm. The moment everything is done to serve some selfish gain and please the lowest of instincts you corrupt the world a little further.

What exactly has the voyeurism of reality TV offered the world? TV programming decades ago was vastly superior moreover some naivete of course. A little modern mature content to illuminate human nature better and make you examine yourself is much better entertainment than stupid voyeurism. Of course voyeurism sells. Cheap entertainment will always sell. To want to sell it is the problem.

You do not corrupt by low quality entertainment, corruption happens because you have no guidance elsewhere, you simply miss a ton of opportunity to give a better experience that takes substantially more effort to produce of course. The corruption is by focusing away the brains from what would improve them a bit.

Watch how everywhere on modern TV you have all heroes dirty and failed and malicious at times. Sure the human condition is not perfect but not everyone is an ahole in some major way. So what kind of message is this sending that its ok to be an ahole every now and then. Then you have the politicians to put the cherry in the cake. Well done everyone. Enjoy what world you create step by step.

You dodged the question.

You didnt get it did you? My argument was from the first moment that it wasnt IQ that took her to this celebrity bs storyline. So dont try to find some exceptional brain or emotional intelligence quality in that person. Its like trying to find qualities in lottery players that win. That doesnt have to mean she is low IQ. I never claimed that, but if you listen to her speak you do not exactly experience some brilliance either. Stop seeing these people as anything remarkable. Stupid shows always find their themes in morons that can relate with the morons that watch nicely. Facebook and all the social media noise is the joke of our culture also. Endless waste of time over bs. At least here we talk to each other and learn a few things here and there. Many actually care to offer some content. WTF is the content in reality bs culture and the entire crap of the social media craze. It only exploits the lowest of human qualities. A lot of technology we have is simply going for addictive worthless value behavior.

I don't get how doing porn makes you scum, or why anyone should get all emotional about what Kardasian does. Like, I'm pretty sure everyone here would do a porn for the kind of money she got.

Rob Kardashian is clearly the biggest scumnag in the family.

Yep, she exploited the masses for profit very well.

You are viewing this from the wrong paradigm. You are putting a label and judgment on human behavior. "Facebook is useless." "Reality TV is negative EV."

Of course I agree with this. But what you and I think is +EV for society doesn't mean jack sh*t.

Making money means you create products that people want to buy. Being smart is figuring out what these people want and figuring out the right style of presentation. If customers hate the décor of your restaurant or hotel, then you f*cking change the décor. If customers don't like "new coke" then you go back to selling "old coke" ASAP. You don't sit around the board room moaning about how dumb your customers are.

Kim may sound dumb when she talks, but when she does talk, people wanna hear what she has to say.

If she talked like a Phd grad student, nobody would understand what the f*ck she is talking about and then they would change the channel.

No she wouldnt have to talk like a PhD student and i dont care for such terms either when you entertain. But a smart woman appears to be smart in how creatively she jokes or sends messages even when she is entirely 100% after being understood and willing to charm everyone never willing to create a barrier. It is very evident then that she is radiating optimism and not a ridiculously selfish narrow minded way over bs topics and priorities.

You can tell how intelligent someone is by how they behave easily. Manipulative and exhibitionistic is not the same as intelligent. It doesnt require certain design and intelligence but its nowhere near the same.

True intelligence realizes that exploiting society over bs is malicious and essentially not intelligent in the long term.


You think what prevents a smart person from making tons of money is that they are not emotionally or socially smart when in reality its that they do not want to do unethical things or things that effectively are pointless in improving anything other than a narrow bottom line at the expense of greater final value. Intelligence is not usually associated with highly embracing cynicism because intelligence correlates well with education these days and when you become educated you realize a deeper reason that makes being an ahole not entirely enticing.

A fine response.

Hopefully more and more people will realize this. Would be nice to meet them in the real world.

Where did i ever say that making porn makes one scum? I dont believe porn actresses are scumbags. They do have a certain desire for sex that is exhibitionistic , they do have desire for the money and often are either lazy to find better choices or dont know better. I am not going to offer judgement on a model that does take that route. I will consider it in fact a very bold and brave decision that is risky and scary for a young woman given what characters exist in the industry that do not exactly care for the young people and their future just to use them and then discard them typically.

But this is different. This is a decision to own their choice. They do not pretend no i didnt do that on purpose when it is leaked. They do not sue for whatever damages and then settle...

What makes her a scumbag is not the making of a sex tape. It is a sex tape by the way not a porn movie. What makes her a scumbag is the design to make it in order to leak it to get news action. It is the manipulation of the media and public in a classless manner. What makes also scumbags in other cases is that boyfriends exist that do that to their girlfriends which is pathetic regardless of how their relationship ended. Its violation of their privacy. A gentleman would never do that.

I do not have a puritanical position on sex. Sex is always desirable. But it is desirable at a lower level of intellect. Chemistry and Biology makes us desire it so much. It is essential for survival for this to be true. It doesnt offer you some deeper understanding of the world or improves society etc. Its just a recreational activity that often comes with problems if not dealt with properly with some care.

Anyone who then uses sex to advance themselves is manipulative of a lower level human property. That person is a calculator that in a cold manner exploits the human condition. To me such person is scum indeed.

Instead of all the bs indignation about it she could own what she did.

What a porn star model does is not wrong if done properly under certain conditions. The conditions are not always realized that way of course. A model that does that is upfront and is in a manner sometimes brave to take that path but also naive often and sometimes a true calculating cold person too, cynically willing to do whatever it takes. Porn stars can be all kinds of people i imagine from terrible to just bold and risky or forced by economic realities that given better choices would do something else. When a celebrity does it its low class exhibitionism though and if they deny it and cry foul about it its even worse.

If someone offered you 5 million dollars to make a sex tape, you'd do it in a heartbeat. Stop with the sanctimonious hypocrisy.

That is what you would do because you have the soul of a whore apparently with a price tag in it and no qualifiers (i encourage you to prove me wrong). I do not have a price in selling my private life unless this buys for something else more important than the protection of my reputation, a solution. So if that would save a person or finance the dream to study for many people i would do it but not for personal gain and i would publicly make it clear it is for that reason. I do not believe in using my body sexually to make money and i am not an exhibitionist although i will not claim hypocritically that i dont find exhibitionism that is done for pleasure and not control of others and their weakness or money, stimulating. I believe in free sex. I believe paid sex must be professional good sex that is educational and entertaining where all parties get to it with their own unforced "will" and desire(in the stupid sense of false free will people imagine it). I do not believe in paying of getting paid for it outside the certainty of the above terms (and since i cant know for sure i will decline participating in the transaction). I do not believe in being tolerated or tolerating someone for money either. And i would never betray the other erotic romantic party in the tape for money to personally gain anything at their expense.

Pornstars ideally do it because they make decent money without taking big risks (but not true really always) and they enjoy it (not always either), they are professional entertainers and because it serves a function in society that can be a lot better than it is today. So do not read from this any hypocritical insult addressed to pornstars. But it is their job. They called it that from the first day and they own it. I respect that decision. I sympathize with how ugly their experiences may get at times though and i am very aware that it is far from a very clean industry in ethical terms (but could be).

If i were to ever accept to get 5 mil i would do it to finance something important and i would declare to the world upfront that it is the only reason i do it protesting against the very concept of it but unwilling to ignore the value. It would be with a willing straight partner only also. I refuse to prostitute myself or my name or life path in order to make some aholes happy that they paid me 5 mil to yield. I do not need 5 mil that much as you may think. I am just fine with having endless stream of hundreds every day and thousands every week as it is and knowing i earn it the right way by not undermining society or exploiting the time in history that eg finds mankind immature regarding sex and held hostage to it actually.

You know that this tape was used several years after it was produced and it is not exactly clear who leaked it yet making it very possible it is herself because usually its hard to lose such sensitive material if not idiot enough to make it hackable. In doing it she exploited her own family and connections. She prostituted herself and her connections and history. And she didnt respect the memory of her father either showing how cheap she is. A random person for such tape will get nothing but she could get something. So she sold who she was in the eyes of some people and this makes her a whore or an attention whore or someone that gives the finger to the world targeting its worse qualities not an intelligent person. She didnt need a sex tape to make money in her life. To take the money and not use it for something that redeems the situation is indicative of a f%ing low class c%nt as i said. The same is true for Hilton and Lohan and the others by the way.

$5m won't buy much more than a nice individual life. Scratch that. Nothing wrong with working locally. You could solve town hunger for a few years depending on the size of the town.

I'm pretty sure that most of us would whore ourselves out for $5m.

Exactly, only locally valuable. Still covers many lives that sets them in a better path. So if she comes out and says i did all this to now finance a great deal of good things for others and fully owns it i will reconsider her character but i refuse to believe she needed the tape to get to the current bs fame that is entirely because of the bs reality low class media culture.

But not for personal gain. I will not participate in a culture that uses sex for profit the wrong way. Just because there is a price for something offered it doesnt mean you have to endorse the world that makes it possible. I reject this bs world. It is after all what we make of it. By prostituting yourself you participate in what makes it cheap and superficial like that.

It is all cheap and superficial. Even the beautiful stuff.

Well, except for the expensive ****. That is expensive and superficial. Usually the expensive stuff is of higher quality, or at least of higher desirability, than the cheap and superficial stuff.

Consider the onion. It is but an illusion that it has depth beyond its initial superficiality. But, however much you peel away to get beyond the superficial, you just get more superficial stuff. At least onions aren't particularly expensive. Dollar for dollar, I think they are quite the value proposition in relationship to most items. As Richard S. Grant III once said, "An onion. An onion. My kingdom for an onion. I won't move my army without an onion."

Not all is cheap and superficial. The laws of physics make it all possible and any discussion material. It cannot be cheap in the original negative sense meant, otherwise being and thinking is cheap hence the validity of the original claim also. There is nothing cheap in a beautiful flower or a snowflake crystal or the smile of a young child when they first win something that took effort. It took the universe billions of years and sacrifices to get to these things.

Sex and its properties are a very interesting topic. To try to make money from the human condition building on the poor position society currently has on sex making it a guilty rare in strong value taboo topic is something i find insulting to us all. We would be a better world with a more mature position on sex and we fail it the way we deal with it trying to profit from the failure of society essentially. Oh yeah the princess has sex or the heiress is a slut, enjoy... wow how great and uplifting to see they all like it! F$ck this!

130s maybe. 160s almost never.

Are you seriously telling me you'd turn down $5M to do a porno? Sorry dude, that's pure BS.