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jason1990 07-28-2008 03:34 AM

Ask a probabilist
 
In an effort to find something interesting to do with what I assume will be my last 21 posts as an "adept" (whatever that is), I decided to start this thread. Some may know already, but for those that do not, I am a probabilist (a mathematician who specializes in probability theory). If you have any burning questions you would like to ask a probabilist, then here is your chance. Post them here and I will try to answer them.

I can obviously answer questions regarding undergraduate mathematics, and basic graduate-level, measure-theoretic probability, including topics such as Markov chains, Brownian motion, and stochastic differential equations.

When it comes to more advanced topics, I can probably only answer questions within my field. I usually work on limit theorems for stochastic processes. This typically involves finding analogues of the law of large numbers and the central limit theorem, which apply to continuous-time processes. A simple example of this type of theorem is Donsker's theorem.

I am not a statistician, I do not work in numerical analysis or computing, and I do not work on discrete probability. I am no expert on philosophical issues related to probability, but I have read and thought about this topic a little bit and can offer my opinions. I can also offer some advice to graduate students about selecting an adviser, looking for a job, and so on.

But feel free to ask anything and I will do my best.

Lonewolf MacQuaid 07-28-2008 03:54 AM

Re: Ask a probabilist
 
All right. Here's one for you. This may be too simple or out of the realm of your expertise (I don't know because I'm not a mathematician), but maybe it'll kick-start this thread:

To your knowledge, has anyone ever proven genetic algorithm to converge to a global optimal solution in the limit?

I know this has been done with simulated annealing, and the proof has to do with hidden Markov models. I also know that some work has been done to show that HMMs exist within GA, but I have never heard of anyone actually proving convergence to a global optimum.

heard em say 07-28-2008 04:01 AM

Re: Ask a probabilist
 
Are you a professor? What other types of jobs are available within this field?

blah_blah 07-28-2008 04:03 AM

Re: Ask a probabilist
 
why did you get into probability?
what do you think the five best probability departments in the united states are?
i've taken a standard two semester graduate course in probability out of durrett. what's the next textbook you'd recommend that i read?
are you familiar with my thesis supervisor (martin barlow) or my advisor (ed perkins)?

e:
in your opinion, what are the hot areas of probability?
how easy is it for someone with a ph.d from a good school in probability to get a quant-type job in finance, and how would one go about doing that?

jason1990 07-28-2008 05:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonewolf MacQuaid (Post 5319569)
To your knowledge, has anyone ever proven genetic algorithm to converge to a global optimal solution in the limit?

This is outside my expertise, although I have done work with Freidlin-Wentzell large deviations, which is at the heart of proving convergence in simulated annealing. I cannot offer any concrete answers, but maybe you can find something in one of these:

@article {MR2052865,
AUTHOR = {Stannat, Wilhelm},
TITLE = {On the convergence of genetic algorithms---a variational
approach},
JOURNAL = {Probab. Theory Related Fields},
FJOURNAL = {Probability Theory and Related Fields},
VOLUME = {129},
YEAR = {2004},
NUMBER = {1},
PAGES = {113--132},
ISSN = {0178-8051},
CODEN = {PTRFEU},
MRCLASS = {35J20 (35A15 60J25 92D10 92D15)},
MRNUMBER = {MR2052865 (2005d:35040)},
MRREVIEWER = {Dominique L{\'e}pingle},
}

@article {MR1832784,
AUTHOR = {Schmitt, Lothar M.},
TITLE = {Theory of genetic algorithms},
JOURNAL = {Theoret. Comput. Sci.},
FJOURNAL = {Theoretical Computer Science},
VOLUME = {259},
YEAR = {2001},
NUMBER = {1-2},
PAGES = {1--61},
ISSN = {0304-3975},
CODEN = {TCSDI},
MRCLASS = {90C59 (68T05 90C15)},
MRNUMBER = {MR1832784 (2002j:90117)},
MRREVIEWER = {R. Shonkwiler},
}

@article {MR2020342,
AUTHOR = {Schmitt, Lothar M.},
TITLE = {Theory of genetic algorithms. {II}. {M}odels for genetic
operators over the string-tensor representation of populations
and convergence to global optima for arbitrary fitness
function under scaling},
JOURNAL = {Theoret. Comput. Sci.},
FJOURNAL = {Theoretical Computer Science},
VOLUME = {310},
YEAR = {2004},
NUMBER = {1-3},
PAGES = {181--231},
ISSN = {0304-3975},
CODEN = {TCSDI},
MRCLASS = {68T05},
MRNUMBER = {MR2020342 (2004j:68156)},
}

@article {MR2039188,
AUTHOR = {Zhao, Xiao-yan and Nie, Zan-kan},
TITLE = {The {M}arkov chain analysis of premature convergence of
genetic algorithms},
JOURNAL = {Chinese Quart. J. Math.},
FJOURNAL = {Chinese Quarterly Journal of Mathematics. Shuxue Jikan},
VOLUME = {18},
YEAR = {2003},
NUMBER = {4},
PAGES = {364--368},
ISSN = {1002-0462},
MRCLASS = {60J20 (60J10 92D10)},
MRNUMBER = {MR2039188 (2004k:60201)},
MRREVIEWER = {Ren{\'e} L. Schilling},
}

jason1990 07-28-2008 05:30 AM

Re: Ask a probabilist
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heard em say (Post 5319631)
Are you a professor?

Yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by heard em say (Post 5319631)
What other types of jobs are available within this field?

A lot of people with a background in probability go into the financial industry. Also, with a little work, a probabilist can usually pass for a statistician, which obviously opens up a lot of jobs everywhere.

lastcardcharlie 07-28-2008 05:38 AM

Re: Ask a probabilist
 
What's the solution to the Two Envelopes Problem?

LongLiveYorke 07-28-2008 06:52 AM

Re: Ask a probabilist
 
I flip a coin and record whether or not I get heads or tails. I do this many times and calculate the average number of flips before I get the pattern HTH. Call this number A. I do it again and calculate the average number of flips before I get HTT. Call this number B.

Is A==B, A > B or A < B?

blah_blah 07-28-2008 07:51 AM

Re: Ask a probabilist
 
A=10, B=8 (i calculated A in two different ways, and the equations for B only differ from the equations for A very slightly, so i'm pretty sure this is correct)

of course it is obvious that A>B (if you 'fail' in the second case, you're already part of the way to a success, whereas if you 'fail' in the first case, you have to start from scratch)

i'm a graduate student in probability so your question is actually being answered by a probabilist.

LongLiveYorke 07-28-2008 08:00 AM

Re: Ask a probabilist
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blah_blah (Post 5320928)
A=10, B=8 (i calculated A in two different ways, and the equations for B only differ from the equations for A very slightly, so i'm pretty sure this is correct)

of course it is obvious that A>B (if you 'fail' in the second case, you're already part of the way to a success, whereas if you 'fail' in the first case, you have to start from scratch)

i'm a graduate student in probability so your question is actually being answered by a probabilist.

I'm pretty sure you're correct. I like that question; it's somewhat counterintuitive.

jason1990 07-28-2008 08:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blah_blah (Post 5319634)
why did you get into probability?

I took a few years off between undergrad and grad school to basically be a bum and develop a lot of ill-founded opinions. (Okay, it was not really that bad.) Anyway, one of those opinions was that the future of scientific progress would center around probabilistic analysis, and not deterministic analysis. It was at that time I decided to study probability theory and learn about stochastic differential equations. Luckily for me, when I actually learned what those were, I found them interesting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blah_blah (Post 5319634)
what do you think the five best probability departments in the united states are?

I feel like the best answer to this is, "it depends." But I do not want to avoid the question. So here is a somewhat arbitrary list: Berkeley, Columbia, Cornell, Princeton, and Stanford. I think, though, that a better answer would be this: decide what topics interest you, find the best probabilists in that area, and try to go where they are.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blah_blah (Post 5319634)
i've taken a standard two semester graduate course in probability out of durrett. what's the next textbook you'd recommend that i read?

Karatzas and Shreve. From it, you will learn about Brownian motion, continuous martingales, the Ito integral, and some basics about stochastic diff eqs. These are important topics no matter what area of probability you end up in. It is a tough book, though. You may want to supplement it with something more intuitive, like Oksendal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blah_blah (Post 5319634)
are you familiar with my thesis supervisor (martin barlow) or my advisor (ed perkins)?

Yes and yes. Ed, particularly, I know quite well. But in the US, we typically do not have two separate people filling these roles. Do you do it differently in Canada, or is yours a special case?

Quote:

Originally Posted by blah_blah (Post 5319634)
in your opinion, what are the hot areas of probability?

SLE is obviously hot, given the recent Fields Medal. Mathematical biology is another very hot topic with a good future, in my opinion. There also seems to be a lot of activity regarding random walks in random environment, but this is pretty far from my area, so it is hard for me to judge its hotness. (But I can point you to this survey article.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by blah_blah (Post 5319634)
how easy is it for someone with a ph.d from a good school in probability to get a quant-type job in finance, and how would one go about doing that?

Oh, I think it would be pretty easy. I had a friend in grad school with a PhD in something to do with PDEs. After he finished, he spent a few months learning probability and Ito calculus, and then landed a fancy, high-paying job on Wall Street. I think he is in Japan now. Of course, now he works non-stop, and also he is not legally allowed to talk to me about his work. I very rarely hear from him these days.

I do not really know how one goes about it. I think he just found the job listings somewhere, applied in the usual way, had some phone interviews, and the process just took off from there.

jason1990 07-28-2008 08:09 AM

Re: Ask a probabilist
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lastcardcharlie (Post 5320223)
What's the solution to the Two Envelopes Problem?

I find the proposed solutions in the Wikipedia article to be quite satisfactory.

jason1990 07-28-2008 08:24 AM

Re: Ask a probabilist
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LongLiveYorke (Post 5320615)
I flip a coin and record whether or not I get heads or tails. I do this many times and calculate the average number of flips before I get the pattern HTH. Call this number A. I do it again and calculate the average number of flips before I get HTT. Call this number B.

Is A==B, A > B or A < B?

This:

Quote:

Originally Posted by blah_blah (Post 5320928)
of course it is obvious that A>B (if you 'fail' in the second case, you're already part of the way to a success, whereas if you 'fail' in the first case, you have to start from scratch)

The above can be made rigorous by a coupling. Build a chain of iid coin flips and let T_A be the time until first seeing HTH. Now build a second chain out of the first. Make it identical to the first, except swap what appears after any occurrence of HT. (For example, if the first begins with HTTTHTTHTH..., then the second begins with HTHTHTHHTT...) Let T_B be the time until first seeing HTT in the second chain.

Then

A - B = E[T_A] - E[T_B] = E[T_A - T_B].

Now you just have to show that T_A - T_B is always non-negative, and has a positive probability of being positive. I will leave that part as an exercise.

Cool question, by the way.

blah_blah 07-28-2008 08:37 AM

Re: Ask a probabilist
 
first, thanks for all the replies!

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason1990 (Post 5321001)
I took a few years off between undergrad and grad school to basically be a bum and develop a lot of ill-founded opinions. (Okay, it was not really that bad.) Anyway, one of those opinions was that the future of scientific progress would center around probabilistic analysis, and not deterministic analysis. It was at that time I decided to study probability theory and learn about stochastic differential equations. Luckily for me, when I actually learned what those were, I found them interesting.

i wish that my story was as good. i studied a lot of analysis and PDE as an undergrad and had a good grasp of measure theory so i enrolled in Ed's graduate probability I course while i was an undergrad at the 'other' university in the vancouver area. i thought that it would be easy since my measure theory background was strong. in short i found it very difficult and frustrating, especially since i wasn't able to attend many classes, so of course it was what i decided to study in graduate school.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason1990 (Post 5321001)
I feel like the best answer to this is, "it depends." But I do not want to avoid the question. So here is a somewhat arbitrary list: Berkeley, Columbia, Cornell, Princeton, and Stanford. I think, though, that a better answer would be this: decide what topics interest you, find the best probabilists in that area, and try to go where they are.

your answer is all i really wanted :) what's your opinion of courant and UCLA for probability?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason1990 (Post 5321001)
Karatzas and Shreve. From it, you will learn about Brownian motion, continuous martingales, the Ito integral, and some basics about stochastic diff eqs. These are important topics no matter what area of probability you end up in. It is a tough book, though. You may want to supplement it with something more intuitive, like Oksendal.

i have both, although i have read the first 9 chapters or so of oksendal and almost none of karatzas and shreve (i think i glanced at it once to get an answer for a homework assignment). Martin currently has me reading port and stone's book on brownian motion and potential theory in addition to oksendal.

do you have an opinion on this book?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason1990 (Post 5321001)
Yes and yes. Ed, particularly, I know quite well. But in the US, we typically do not have two separate people filling these roles. Do you do it differently in Canada, or is yours a special case?

small world! actually to be honest i'm not even 100% sure how it works. i asked Ed to be my advisor when i started my masters a year ago, but i wasn't even thinking of my thesis at that point. i chose Martin (on Ed's recommendation) as my thesis supervisor because his interests looked the closest to my interests. i chat with both of them on 'advisor-type' topics like what courses i should take.

i think my situation is somewhat unique because a lot of the Ph.D students come to work with a specific person and hence their advisor/thesis supervisor end up being the same person. i haven't decided which Ph.D programs i'm going to apply to after i finish my masters next summer.

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Originally Posted by jason1990 (Post 5321001)
SLE is obviously hot, given the recent Fields Medal. Mathematical biology is another very hot topic with a good future, in my opinion. There also seems to be a lot of activity regarding random walks in random environment, but this is pretty far from my area, so it is hard for me to judge its hotness. (But I can point you to this survey article.)

cool. i took a course from Grimmett this summer on 'discrete spatial processes in probability' and he talked briefly about SLE. i also attended a series of lectures by Varadhan at CMU on random walks in random environment a couple of summers ago, but as an undergrad without much probability background it went way over my head :(

i'm sure i'll come up with more questions in the next few days if it's not too much trouble.

David Sklansky 07-28-2008 09:15 AM

Re: Ask a probabilist
 
"This statement is a lie" is a Russell paradox. What about "This statment is 90% to be a lie"?

bigpooch 07-28-2008 10:03 AM

Re: Ask a probabilist
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jason1990 (Post 5321001)
Karatzas and Shreve. From it, you will learn about Brownian motion, continuous martingales, the Ito integral, and some basics about stochastic diff eqs. These are important topics no matter what area of probability you end up in. It is a tough book, though. You may want to supplement it with something more intuitive, like Oksendal.

What do you think of Karatzas and Shreve's "Methods of
Mathematical Finance" ? ( already own a copy of their
"Brownian Motion and Stochastic Calculus")

Also, if normality of asset returns isn't assumed, isn't it
worthwhile to consider Lévy processes? If so, what's a
decent book or paper on Lévy processes?

gumpzilla 07-28-2008 11:44 AM

Re: Ask a probabilist
 
I recall you mentioning at some point that you were reading Jaynes's book. What do you think of it?

jason1990 07-28-2008 11:56 AM

Re: Ask a probabilist
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blah_blah (Post 5321282)
what's your opinion of courant and UCLA for probability?

They almost made my list, but you forced me to pick five! Obviously, McKean and Varadhan are very big names at Courant. Scott Sheffield is also there, and he seems to be a very strong probabilist. It looks like Liggett is the big name at UCLA. Other than that, I recognize Biskup and Berger on the UCLA roster, and they certainly have very good reputations. You should look at what these folks work on and whether or not it interests you.

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Originally Posted by blah_blah (Post 5321282)
do you have an opinion on this book?

I used it once as a reference for a theorem I could not find anywhere else. Other than that, I am not too familiar with it. My first impression was that it would make a better reference book than a textbook.

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Originally Posted by blah_blah (Post 5321282)
i'm sure i'll come up with more questions in the next few days if it's not too much trouble.

Keep 'em coming. I'm here to serve.

jason1990 07-28-2008 12:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky (Post 5321564)
"This statement is a lie" is a Russell paradox. What about "This statment is 90% to be a lie"?

In my opinion, the above sentence in bold is not even meaningful, let alone a paradox.

jason1990 07-28-2008 12:51 PM

Re: Ask a probabilist
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigpooch (Post 5321999)
What do you think of Karatzas and Shreve's Methods of Mathematical Finance" ? ( already own a copy of their "Brownian Motion and Stochastic Calculus")

I only thumbed through that book, and it was a while ago. I remember thinking it would be tough to read without some prior background in finance.

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Originally Posted by bigpooch (Post 5321999)
Also, if normality of asset returns isn't assumed, isn't it worthwhile to consider Lévy processes?

Frankly, I would like to see a financial model that is derived from some underlying principles, rather than one which is justified only by data fitting. But I think that may be too much to expect for now. So, yes, if you are looking for a model that fits the data, and you do not want to assume normality, then of course you should try Lévy processes on for size.

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Originally Posted by bigpooch (Post 5321999)
If so, what's a decent book or paper on Lévy processes?

I am pretty sure that Protter covers Levy processes. But that is another tough book to wade through. Unfortunately, I do not have a light supplement to suggest for that.

jason1990 07-28-2008 02:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gumpzilla (Post 5323165)
I recall you mentioning at some point that you were reading Jaynes's book. What do you think of it?

I gave up on that. The first part was interesting and thought provoking. But somewhere in the middle, it became painful to read. Since it was supposed to be recreational reading, I dropped it in favor of "Pebble in the Sky."

thylacine 07-28-2008 02:26 PM

Re: Ask a probabilist
 
Is there a p-adic version of probability? Other versions?

jason1990 07-28-2008 03:44 PM

Re: Ask a probabilist
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thylacine (Post 5325350)
Is there a p-adic version of probability? Other versions?

I think Andrei Khrennikov is your man. You might also check out this arXiv posting of his. (The published version is available somewhere.) Also, Jaynes discusses probabilities taking values in spaces other than the real numbers. The discussion is in Appendix A, and begins on page A-6, under the heading "Comparative Probability." It might be interesting to compare what he had to say back then to Khrennikov's results.

blah_blah 07-28-2008 04:04 PM

Re: Ask a probabilist
 
do you play poker?

how would you solve the following problem?

Let X_i be iid and such that X_i converges almost surely to X. Then X is a.s. constant.

thylacine 07-28-2008 04:09 PM

Re: Ask a probabilist
 
What is the most general form of the Lovasz Local Lemma? Reference?


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