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Originally Posted by masque de Z
Actually i have a technical problem with that. You ask him if he can think of a question he cant answer. He said no. That means he cant think of such question. That doesnt mean the question exists and he cant think it (unless you find an example like i did which still one may argue requires a little bit more rigor in establishing that indeed this universe cant represent the process to deliver the answer even if current physics would agree on that but then an infinite universe and unbounded time left in it may be another story).
So technically you cant claim he has limited knowledge, limited by lacking that answer because his answer was no he cant think it, so it is either limited knowledge because he cant think it while it exists or he cant think it because it doesnt exist in which case his knowledge is not limited, his answer was no because no such question exists. So you havent cornered him yet.
To corner him you can demonstrate one of his answers is wrong though or to indeed find one he cant answer or even begin to answer.
His answer to Pi (22/7) is wrong for example also.
In fact we need to force an example he cant answer but which exists. Since he never claimed he has the correct answer always. But if one cant prove able to know the question itself then he cant be able to answer it in a legitimate sense (how?). So one thinks of a problem that requires as input to form the question an answer to a process that cannot be completed in our universe.
There is no such a thing as universe. Everything is mind
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Originally Posted by VeeDDzz`
I'm not sure its entirely necessary but I'll indulge this.
Can he know for certain whether or not his knowledge was imparted to him by some higher being that gave him all the knowledge in the universe (or the capability to acquire such knowledge) except for two tiny bits of knowledge: (1) that there's a higher being; (2) that all his knowledge and/or abilities to acquire knowledge were imparted to him?
As you can see, its not too difficult to think of questions that demonstrate limitations in knowledge-ability.
God.
Even God isnt (dont want) to be perfect. Perfection requires a 10, let say, from one to ten. God is 9.999999 periodic, always improving, but never perfect.
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Originally Posted by masque de Z
I am a physicist in a real universe. In fact its all we have and even our abstract math are represented by elements of that universe. I have no way to know yet if what you are describing as fictitious situation is actually self consistent in this universe so that i can trust where you are going with this. By that i mean a self consistent universe may be screaming loud and clear through other observations and arguments the very things you are forcing him not to know, so refusing he can known them at construction may not be correct (ie self consistent) until we have solved that universe.
All i can ask him for now (as one example) is give me the 10^23 th digit before the end of the decimal expansion of the sum of all primes up to 10^(10^100). Good luck with that. The answer is 0 to 9 but what is it?
Also notice the issue here is not to construct simple systems that have limits in how much they know. That is very easy. The problem is that i do not know his system in order to apply this logic to him that way (like eg put me in a box and roll a dice outside and ask me to tell you what it was). Otherwise i can roll a dice right now and ask him to tell me what it was, same thing. I can film the throw and post it on a secure location with proof of time stamp of posting and then we can verify his answer later. He never argued his answers will be correct by the way and in principle the universe itself knows my result (in a physics information sense causality, reconstruction of all steps etc). But what i am trying to do is find a way that no matter what he is, as long as he is from this universe, it is impossible for him to know what i ask him, rendering the entire effort/claim inconsistent because he cannot even understand the full question (the details of the final question are part of the project he can never complete in this universe) in order to show faith in delivering an answer even a wrong answer. I mean i can construct things that cannot be answered so we know from the start that we do not even have to test his reply, its meaningless to event try because we know he cant deliver it and it now doesnt matter what or who he is.
It is 3. or 6. Or 3 6 9, wich is 9. Its a triangle.
Also, i have a friend who studied and have degree on psychics.
Science can go only to certain point. The rest is Faith
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Originally Posted by thebreaker27
What rules of physics rule the mind? Under which circumstances does the mind start existing? Does the universe have consciousness in a way that we are part of it's consciousnesses just like our cells?
Is the flow of time an illusion; have it always flow and after infinite events we are here or has it spontaneously started with absolutely no cause?
Exactly
Time is this: Eternal and one at the spiritual plane. One and changing, vibrating, on the mental plane. And starts and finish with our body in the phsysic plane. Thats the time
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Originally Posted by Philo
"x" is not a question.
Either you or i is wrong
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
It's there ready if somebody would happen to be there. Just the absence of an observer at the moment isn't enough for negating it totally, imo.
But maybe you can answer your own question yourself?
As i said. there is no point on nothing not being observed
Last edited by George1; 12-27-2014 at 09:05 AM.