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07-05-2010 , 09:45 PM
MB is tenuously linked with the Fulham job, but he's not considered a fav for it.
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07-05-2010 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
MB is tenuously linked with the Fulham job, but he's not considered a fav for it.
Yeah, I read that on Ives today. The read I got from my "source" (lol I feel ******ed calling it a source), is that Bradley has an offer already from some smaller league like Belgium or somewhere, but he's holding out hope for a bigger league.
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07-05-2010 , 10:28 PM
meh, he should go to a smaller league. First, he's already breaking down a huge door wherever he goes. Second, there will be less pressure there then in England, where quite frankly I doubt he can handle. The US press basically leaves him alone until its WC time and its not like MLS reporters either.
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07-06-2010 , 03:57 AM
Bandwagon fan questions:

-So in soccer people play for the national team of nations they're not actually from? Like, all these guys are free agents floating around and you have to convince them to join your national team and then cap lock them? That doesn't really seem like a national team at all. Do they have to have a connection to your country (my dad is from the USA, my mom got a postcard from the USA when she was pregnant with me, etc.) or no?

-How much do guy get paid on national teams? Does it vary by nation? Is this a recruiting tool?

-Does the MLS still exist?
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07-06-2010 , 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
Bandwagon fan questions:

-So in soccer people play for the national team of nations they're not actually from? Like, all these guys are free agents floating around and you have to convince them to join your national team and then cap lock them? That doesn't really seem like a national team at all. Do they have to have a connection to your country (my dad is from the USA, my mom got a postcard from the USA when she was pregnant with me, etc.) or no?

-How much do guy get paid on national teams? Does it vary by nation? Is this a recruiting tool?

-Does the MLS still exist?
nah, they're not FAs. you have to have a US passport to be able to play for the USMNT (same with all other national teams). However if you have a 2nd passport from another country for some reason you can decide for which country to play until you've gotten your first cap (appearance in a game).

The players negotiate their bonus deals with the FAs. Here is a piece on what the US players (could have) earned this WC.

It still exists.






I dont know how interesting this is but ive seen his name mentioned a couple of times ITT: Kenny Cooper broke his ankle a couple days ago in his first training session w/1860 Munich after returning from a loan. He is expected to be out ~ 3 months.
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07-06-2010 , 05:43 AM
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Yes! Fulham is considering USA coach Bob Bradley to replace Roy Hodgson. Which means the USA position will be vacant, and the favorite to fill that is Jurgen Klinsmann! To all my US Villa fans, the 2014 WC might be a good one!
from one of my US friends. Obv conjecture but Klinsmann would be quality for you guys
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07-06-2010 , 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by monarco
nah, they're not FAs. you have to have a US passport to be able to play for the USMNT (same with all other national teams).
Can you just give a guy a passport if you want him for your team? That doesn't seem that hard. I literally only watch world cups but remember being annoyed at David Regis and Thomas Dooley playing for us. Especially when we were playing Germany and they did that piece about Dooley and how he'd never set foot in the USA before joining our national team.

I don't want USA soccer to be good because we steal other countries' players. I wanna cheer for Americans out there.
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07-06-2010 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
Can you just give a guy a passport if you want him for your team? That doesn't seem that hard. I literally only watch world cups but remember being annoyed at David Regis and Thomas Dooley playing for us. Especially when we were playing Germany and they did that piece about Dooley and how he'd never set foot in the USA before joining our national team.

I don't want USA soccer to be good because we steal other countries' players. I wanna cheer for Americans out there.
Well it obviously depends on the US immigration laws so you should know that a lot better than me. From what ive heard it's relatively to become a US citizen but the hard part would be to find someone who is willing to play for the US and not his original country.

and your last comment sounds a bit ridiculous in european ears with what, 40%? of people having a grandmother/father not born in the US
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07-06-2010 , 10:36 AM
Am I the only one who would vastly prefer Dunga to Klinsmann?
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07-06-2010 , 10:40 AM
I'd like Dunga over Klinsmann
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07-06-2010 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
Can you just give a guy a passport if you want him for your team? That doesn't seem that hard. I literally only watch world cups but remember being annoyed at David Regis and Thomas Dooley playing for us. Especially when we were playing Germany and they did that piece about Dooley and how he'd never set foot in the USA before joining our national team.

I don't want USA soccer to be good because we steal other countries' players. I wanna cheer for Americans out there.
Thomas Dooley's dad was in the US Army, stationed in Germany.


Its pretty weird in all honesty, but you can play for the country of your mother's birth, your fathers birth, or your own birth, or if you immigrate to another country and live their for a certain amount of time w/o having been capped by anyone else. There are several guys in Germany that were born to US service people who could play for the US. Jermaine Jones is one of those people. You see weird things popping up all over the world now. Zlatan Ibrahimovic is Bosnian, but he plays for Sweden. Eduardo da Silva is Brazilian but plays for Croatia. Giuseppe Rossi is American, but plays for Italy. Neven Subotic is Serbian, but could have played for the US, instead he plays for Serbia.

I think by and large, most players are playing for the country they feel the strongest connection to, regardless of where they are born. There are obviously some exceptions to this though, like Deco for example, who basically decided to play for Portugal because he didn't think he would get on the Brazilian team.


Stak, I dunno about Dunga, but I really don't want Klinsmann
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07-06-2010 , 10:53 AM
Just give the coaching gig to Lalas already.
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07-06-2010 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
Thomas Dooley's dad was in the US Army, stationed in Germany.


Its pretty weird in all honesty, but you can play for the country of your mother's birth, your fathers birth, or your own birth, or if you immigrate to another country and live their for a certain amount of time w/o having been capped by anyone else. There are several guys in Germany that were born to US service people who could play for the US. Jermaine Jones is one of those people. You see weird things popping up all over the world now. Zlatan Ibrahimovic is Bosnian, but he plays for Sweden. Eduardo da Silva is Brazilian but plays for Croatia. Giuseppe Rossi is American, but plays for Italy. Neven Subotic is Serbian, but could have played for the US, instead he plays for Serbia.

I think by and large, most players are playing for the country they feel the strongest connection to, regardless of where they are born. There are obviously some exceptions to this though, like Deco for example, who basically decided to play for Portugal because he didn't think he would get on the Brazilian team.


Stak, I dunno about Dunga, but I really don't want Klinsmann
fwiw Jones will be able to play for the US starting 08/01.

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07-06-2010 , 10:58 AM
Oh okay, so maybe thats why he wasn't in the squad? Was he fit? Meh, the guy is like our Moby Dick or something, tons of talk about him, but I have never seen him play and he's been injured constantly the past few years.
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07-06-2010 , 11:03 AM
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Am I the only one who would vastly prefer Dunga to Klinsmann?

nope. The US already has issues with defense, Klinsmann won't help that at all
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07-06-2010 , 11:05 AM
If Dunga was our coach, who would he field?
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07-06-2010 , 11:06 AM
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Oh okay, so maybe thats why he wasn't in the squad? Was he fit? Meh, the guy is like our Moby Dick or something, tons of talk about him, but I have never seen him play and he's been injured constantly the past few years.
ahhh i mixed up the years..... he was already eligible in fall 09 but he missed the entire 09/10 season with an injury, thats why he didnt make the WC squad.
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07-06-2010 , 11:53 AM
The best man for the job.

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07-06-2010 , 12:25 PM
Didn't Klinsman turn us down when BB was hired?
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07-06-2010 , 12:32 PM
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If Dunga was our coach, who would he field?
In this past World Cup?

Probably 4-2-3-1 with Bradley and Edu holding, Dempsey in the hole, Jozy up top, Landy on one flank, and Holden/Beasley/???? on the other, (Or Benny in the hole and Dempsey on the other flank).

It's really hard to even speculate though, who knows what he would do? I like his coaching style and think it fits well with the USMNT. Defensively disciplined, reliance on set pieces and counterattacking, focus on fitness and workrate etc.
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07-06-2010 , 01:33 PM
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The best man for the job.
level I'm hoping
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In this past World Cup?

Probably 4-2-3-1 with Bradley and Edu holding, Dempsey in the hole, Jozy up top, Landy on one flank, and Holden/Beasley/???? on the other, (Or Benny in the hole and Dempsey on the other flank).

It's really hard to even speculate though, who knows what he would do? I like his coaching style and think it fits well with the USMNT. Defensively disciplined, reliance on set pieces and counterattacking, focus on fitness and workrate etc.
I think he would see the LOL at the back line and go with 5 back. at the very minimum a 4-5-1. He'd probably fall in love with Ricardo Clark too...idk y
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07-06-2010 , 01:57 PM
Dunga would find a way to field MB, Edu, and Clark at the same time for us (not a brag).
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07-06-2010 , 02:12 PM
I know you can't look at just a current roster when thinking about the direction of a Nat'l team but I think Dunga would be a 'safe' choice but don't necessarily agree that he'd be better than Klinsmann. What did we have, zero goals from strikers, 1 penalty, a rebound goal, and a keeper gaffe? The defense is going to need attention regardless of who comes in, but I'd like to see what Klinsmann can do to get the US's attack going. I also liked that his German teams played with a lot of pace which I think suits our players.
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07-06-2010 , 03:20 PM
I agree to some extent, but do you think the reason our strikers didn't score goals was because of poor coaching?

I think it had more to do with the fact that outside of a 20 year old, our options for the other striker position consisted of, Robbie Findley, Edson Buddle, Hercules Gomez, Conor Casey, Brian Ching etc.
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07-06-2010 , 04:18 PM
Kind of meant two things by that, first being yeah totally agree, we have Jozy and not much else, so part of my thinking is that with an attack minded coach, and a former great striker, we could get more out of what we have, and who knows, with the limited interaction maybe Klinsmann could help Jozy (doubtful there would be a huge impact but just a thought).

Secondly BB was using a similar style to Dunga, and we've seen where that can take us. I'm don't know how BB and Dunga rate "head to head" but I don't think Dunga is a huge upgrade over BB if at all, and while Klinsmann may not be either (I think he is fwiw but w/e) perhaps his different style can bring something new and raise the US's current ceiling.
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