CDL,

Duke was my safety school.

NASCAR is also super popular in the Carolinas.

Did you read everyone else's writeups or have any clue how they were graded?

Yes actually. Several people got called on to go through their writeups at the beginning of every class to kick off the discussion. Grade was based on attendance and participation in the class discussion as well as completing the assignment as every other freshman seminar was (this includes the ones in math, physics, chemistry, biology, etc.).

The whole point of the freshman seminars were to facilitate discussions as moderated by the professor or teacher so all you had to do to make an A was go to every class and participate equally while demonstrating that you had put some thought into the topic at hand. Every freshman except engineers had to take exactly one of these classes to graduate and one 15 person seminar was available in every department.

I for one am shocked Duke fans are all over this thread raising holy hell

I actually hope that they don't get scholarships taken away. Its more fun beating the kids that can't read, but can play than vice versa.

Pretty much this


Between concussions, routine coverups of player crimes, and the fact that these kids spend 4 years busting their bodies up without pay or getting a real education; I feel kinda guilty being a CFB fan.

Shock the biggest haters are Duke lovers and NCSU lovers.

This is totally embarrassing as someone who just graduated from UNC. I was in their MBA program where nothing like this happened and I doubt it happened in the undergraduate business school at all. I hope there is a punishment though, not sure what it'll be but I doubt they shut down such a money maker--could you really imagine them shutting down UNC basketball for an extended period of time? Might be the right thing though, IDK.

I will say UNC as a whole is a pretty damn good state school and extremely competitive to get into if you are out of state due to the quotas. With that being said, it looks like there were still kids who were non athletes taking the classes. I guess they have statistical evidence and actual evidence that athletes were told and forced to take those classes. Everyone involved should be punished and if they get Roy and Fedora (I doubt they get in since he's new), so be it. It would really suck though as a sports fan, but it's probably justified.

With that being said, it probably doesn't happen EVERYWHERE, but it definitely happens in a lot of schools especially those competing in some of the Big 5 conferences. Sucks to be the first and likely dumbest to get caught. I know they have cleaned house already, but Roy might be one of the few remnants. Will see if they find anyone or anything that implicates him directly--I doubt it, but will see. Most top level coaches are not that dumb.

so say that it happens a lot. no one is denying that it happens a lot. you are factually correct to say so and no one here is arguing against that.

but 'it happens everywhere' is stupid. so is 'happens at every big school'.

have some schools done this on a wider scale than unc? maybe.

have many more done it less? probably.

are there schools with strong athletic programs that don't do this? yes.

is EVIDENCE of these infractions a big deal? hell yeah, no matter how prevalent the practices.

my undergrad wasn't a good D1 school so i don't have personal experiences on this but people's isolated experiences are pretty irrelevant, too.

Don't all Duke basketball players "study" sociology?

What a refreshing viewpoint from an alum. PSU fans could learn a lot from it.

So according to the study, 15% of students cheated.

Pretty sure 15% of every class cheats in some way on any campus. Yes, it happens everywhere.

People that act like this is a big deal are unbelievably naive or are Duke dick riders. Get on your soapbox about something else.

Lol, what makes you think this? If it happens at Duke, where doesn't it?

Lol wut?

You really don't see a difference between students cheating and the administration pursuing it, and students cheating and the administration actively covering up?

15% of what? The whole student body? I'm going to give a super hot take and say that any time 15% of a school is cheating, it's a big deal, regardless of how much it happens elsewhere.

American culture strongly encourages cheating. It was rampant way back in my day(10 years ago) and has only gotten worse.

This is somewhat unrelated but this is a great opportunity to mention the story. At USC I had a friend who was in an intro to earth science class. For some sort of extra credit, you could write a 10 page paper on a certain set of topics. Well Brian Cushing was in this class (and he did attend it), and wrote an extra credit paper. But when submitting it, he accidentally reply-all-ed it to the entire class. The paper is great. It is titled "Affects of Global Warming", 3 of the 10 pages are pictures, and large chunks of it are directly copy/pasted from wikipedia. But, due to the fact that it was both accidentally emailed to the whole class and was really bad, I know that Cushing actually did it. It really renewed my confidence in USC football's academic integrity.

Too bad USC was later busted by the NCAA for another scandal which I'm sure is significantly worse than systematically cheating academic standards for 20 years.

Take away all their football championships

I am so sick of the ncaa. I dont event follow college sports anymore. It's all a huge ****ing joke so why waste my time? getting drunk at Camp randall once a year is enough for me. no point following this ****

Lol Affects of Global Warming. Perhaps one of the very first papers in environmental psychology!

I've taught in another ACC school that has a clean image and in a West coast school with a not so clean image and have seen that these things go on in ALL schools with major athletic programs. I've been offered various forms of in kind compensation to change grades, seen a 300 pound NFL first rounder who later went to prison for assault with a weapon physically threaten an instructor, and had first hand evidence that "academic tutors" hired by the athletic foundation were doing work for students (even trying to take exams in place of students). I've had a fourth year starting tailback in my class who was functionally illiterate.

I tried reporting the most egregious case (the offer to change grades) and was told it was being taken very seriously. Informally it was communicated to me that if I valued my job (I was not permanent faculty) I should shut the hell up. As I said, that institution has an image of being fairly clean.

I should add a caveat. I had in another class a future 10+ year starter in the NBA. He was a solid B student who as far as I could tell did his own work (the "tutors" would have gotten Cs).

Good thing some of you weren't hanging around with Jim Jones in November of 1978 with all of your well everyone is doing it bull****.

It refers to unc

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

See also: Parr Center Director Jan Boxill presents "Ethical Decision-Making"

https://parrcenter.unc.edu/events/20...hterm=director