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07-14-2009 , 04:31 AM
So i've been following UFC for a long time time and at first i was a huge fan. to the point where i started taking bjj lessons and stuff.

but i've come to realize that as a sport its kindv crappy and i think its more of a fad than anything.

reasons why its not a good sport:

you have guys that fight with 20lb weight advantages and these fights are main events... i.e. lesnar/mir fight where lesnar had a 20lb advantage... i mean if both fighters are skilled, obviously the guy with a bigger weight advantage will win.

brock lesnar is the heavyweight champ... cmon this guy has 5 fights under his belt. any sport where a guy can come in and start to dominate is a joke. that **** will never happen in boxing. it takes years of training. I know he was a NCAA wrestler but that's one of my pet peeves with the sport.

in boxing, one knockout can end your career. with this ufc stuff its a lot safer than it looks. careers dont seem to take a lifetime to build
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07-14-2009 , 04:34 AM
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in boxing, one knockout can end your career. with this ufc stuff its a lot safer than it looks.
I'm sure this thread will be locked, but just wanted to point out that this is literally one of the dumbest things I've ever read in this forum...and that's saying a lot.
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07-14-2009 , 04:58 AM
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07-14-2009 , 05:00 AM
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I'm sure this thread will be locked, but just wanted to point out that this is literally one of the dumbest things I've ever read in this forum...and that's saying a lot.
Yeah, I have to agree and I'm neither an MMA nor Boxing fan. It's top two I've ever seen here.
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07-14-2009 , 05:09 AM
Yeah, please explain that part.

And also, the heavier you are, the slower you are. Not really rocket science. If Mir wanted to match Lesnar's weight, I'm sure he would be able to pull off another 15-20 pounds.

Beside boxing which I`m not to familiar with, all the major sports have players that come right into the league and start dominating. Are those leagues jokes too?
I remember Fabian Brunnstrom was touted as the most skilled hockey player not currently playing in the NHL. Within his first couple games he went on to score a hattrick in one and 5 goals in another. What does that mean?
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07-14-2009 , 05:33 AM
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Yeah, please explain that part.

And also, the heavier you are, the slower you are. Not really rocket science. If Mir wanted to match Lesnar's weight, I'm sure he would be able to pull off another 15-20 pounds.

Beside boxing which I`m not to familiar with, all the major sports have players that come right into the league and start dominating. Are those leagues jokes too?
I remember Fabian Brunnstrom was touted as the most skilled hockey player not currently playing in the NHL. Within his first couple games he went on to score a hattrick in one and 5 goals in another. What does that mean?
Gaborik is the only playe rin the last decade to get 5 goals in a game fwiw. But this thread sucks.
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07-14-2009 , 05:48 AM
I can't think of a single person that would come into the NFL and start dominating (no not even bronbron at te). Same goes for MLB...soccer...nba.
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07-14-2009 , 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by orgasm maker
you have guys that fight with 20lb weight advantages and these fights are main events... i.e. lesnar/mir fight where lesnar had a 20lb advantage... i mean if both fighters are skilled, obviously the guy with a bigger weight advantage will win.
Royce Gracie says hi.
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07-14-2009 , 06:16 AM
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you have guys that fight with 20lb weight advantages and these fights are main events... i.e. lesnar/mir fight where lesnar had a 20lb advantage... i mean if both fighters are skilled, obviously the guy with a bigger weight advantage will win.


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07-14-2009 , 06:25 AM
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in boxing, one knockout can end your career. with this ufc stuff its a lot safer than it looks.
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07-14-2009 , 06:38 AM
Let me elaborate..

one knockout can end a boxer's career because
#1) knockouts are dangerous. they can suffer permanent nerve damage and end up with parkinsons due to so much trauma. concussions are also self explanatory
#2)After a boxer loses 1 or 2 fights, it is almost very likely that they dont sell anymore. i.e. they can't make $ no more as a pro boxer.
#3) in MMA u can tap from strikes, but in boxing you almost definitely do not tap from strikes.

Ever wonder why muhammid ali kept on losing towards the end of his career? why nobody cared about fighters after they're past their prime? because 1 knockout can change your career forever.
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07-14-2009 , 06:44 AM
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Yeah, please explain that part.

And also, the heavier you are, the slower you are. Not really rocket science. If Mir wanted to match Lesnar's weight, I'm sure he would be able to pull off another 15-20 pounds.

Beside boxing which I`m not to familiar with, all the major sports have players that come right into the league and start dominating. Are those leagues jokes too?
I remember Fabian Brunnstrom was touted as the most skilled hockey player not currently playing in the NHL. Within his first couple games he went on to score a hattrick in one and 5 goals in another. What does that mean?
this just proves ur an idiot. If Mir put on another 15-20 pounds he would no longer be fighting at his walking around weight. this is important because its not healthy for fighters to be gainging 15-20lbs so quickly. it takes time. and its unnatural to jump up a weight class u dont belong in. especially if the jump is from 15-20 lbs. that's huge...

in boxing there is 147lbs and 154lbs and they're both entirely different ballgames. that extra 7 lbs can change the impact and speed of the punches and how the boxer moves. in MMA they just mix everyone in there and expect them to be able to fight one another.

and u can't compare hockey,soccer,mlb, football because those are all agreeable sports. MMA is just dumb. im not saying its not a sport im just saying its dumb how its setup and doesnt make sense at all
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07-14-2009 , 06:47 AM
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#2)After a boxer loses 1 or 2 fights, it is almost very likely that they dont sell anymore. i.e. they can't make $ no more as a pro boxer.
that's ok, we can still sell fat-reducing grills
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07-14-2009 , 06:49 AM
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Let me elaborate..

one knockout can end a boxer's career because
#1) knockouts are dangerous. they can suffer permanent nerve damage and end up with parkinsons due to so much trauma. concussions are also self explanatory
#2)After a boxer loses 1 or 2 fights, it is almost very likely that they dont sell anymore. i.e. they can't make $ no more as a pro boxer.
#3) in MMA u can tap from strikes, but in boxing you almost definitely do not tap from strikes.

Ever wonder why muhammid ali kept on losing towards the end of his career? why nobody cared about fighters after they're past their prime? because 1 knockout can change your career forever.
lol...just wow. I'm literally speechless. I can't even get myself to make some kind of snarky remark.
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07-14-2009 , 07:07 AM
most of this is ridiculous, but he has a point about the gaps in weight
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07-14-2009 , 07:12 AM
This is some of the most hilarious stuff I've ever read and it's not even on purpose. He jus thas absolutely no knowledge of how fighting works.
You realize even a middleweight like GSP fights at 170, but normally weighs 190? Lesnar usually wighs 280.

Read into boxing history, learn at least a little about the MMA. Then come back and post.
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07-14-2009 , 07:47 AM
orgasm maker a stupid poster?
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07-14-2009 , 07:50 AM
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orgasm maker a stupid poster?
makes up for good orgasms tough!
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07-14-2009 , 09:33 AM
Lesnar is a trained college wrestler (amateur). He won the 2000 NCAA wrestling championship as a Heavy Weight and in 1999 was 2nd place. He went 106-5. To act like Lesnar has little to no experience fighting and is just an athlete is a joke. Obviously he doesn't know all the grapples and ground stuff but you don't need to know it all.

There are not enough fighters to make very small weight classes a viable option. Also the sport is not popular enough yet to sustain a million different divisions. And boxing doesn't really do that well with all it's divisions. Obviously some are more successful than others but it has to do with the fighters in those divisions.
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07-14-2009 , 09:52 AM
Normally, I laugh when I read stupid posts like the OP. But this one just made me feel depressed.
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07-14-2009 , 10:11 AM
The reason MMA is safer than boxing is that you aren't usually getting up from multiple concussive blows. You get knocked silly and the fight will usually be over shortly after. In boxing, you get knocked down, get 10 seconds to recover, rinse, repeat. It has nothing to do with one-punch KO's.

Your thing about Lesnar/Mir is stupid because it's technically worse in boxing. Heavyweight in MMA is 206-265. Heavyweight in boxing is 201+.
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07-14-2009 , 10:30 AM
Also as it being a fad i disagree with also. I have never watched a full MMA broadcast . This weekend I was tempted to get a few guys over and spend the $60 to watch it.
Also they now have matches planned in places outside North America. Also Ontraio will soon allow MMA and you could see the largest attendance at a MMA event next year.
As for boxing most people could not even tell you whom the heavyweight champion is. Also in other divisions many of the greta fighters are retired.

Also correct me if I am wrong but 1,000,000 PPV at $60 is a ton of cash when Dana White paid 2 million for UFC
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07-14-2009 , 10:47 AM
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Also as it being a fad i disagree with also. I have never watched a full MMA broadcast . This weekend I was tempted to get a few guys over and spend the $60 to watch it.
Also they now have matches planned in places outside North America. Also Ontraio will soon allow MMA and you could see the largest attendance at a MMA event next year.
As for boxing most people could not even tell you whom the heavyweight champion is. Also in other divisions many of the greta fighters are retired.

Also correct me if I am wrong but 1,000,000 PPV at $60 is a ton of cash when Dana White paid 2 million for UFC
In the USA it was 44.95 I think. One thing that pissed me off in Memphis and Comcast I ordered the HD feed early in the day. At 8:30 with my 10 guests there already we turn on the HD broadcast it's blank. So I call Comcast, 30 minutes later they tell me the HD feed isn't working. We watch the whole broadcast at 44.95 in regular D (hopefully I don't get double charged). I turn on the HD feed at 1 am CST and of course it works now. ****ing Comcast.
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07-14-2009 , 11:00 AM
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So i've been following UFC for a long time time and at first i was a huge fan. to the point where i started taking bjj lessons and stuff.

but i've come to realize that as a sport its kindv crappy and i think its more of a fad than anything.

reasons why its not a good sport:

you have guys that fight with 20lb weight advantages and these fights are main events... i.e. lesnar/mir fight where lesnar had a 20lb advantage... i mean if both fighters are skilled, obviously the guy with a bigger weight advantage will win.

brock lesnar is the heavyweight champ... cmon this guy has 5 fights under his belt. any sport where a guy can come in and start to dominate is a joke. that **** will never happen in boxing. it takes years of training. I know he was a NCAA wrestler but that's one of my pet peeves with the sport.

in boxing, one knockout can end your career. with this ufc stuff its a lot safer than it looks. careers dont seem to take a lifetime to build
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07-14-2009 , 12:16 PM
The UFC is still in its fledgling stages. As the talent improves, hopefully the purse sizes improve, which in turn brings more talent. Currently the sport is at a stage where a sick natural athlete with reasonably competency in a few of the MMA disciplines can fare very well. As the level of competition grows, the overall importance of sick natural athleticism and a complete skill set will grow as well. If the sport makes it another 20-30 years we could very well be watching experts in all disciplines with the natural athleticism of lebron (hyperbole) duke it out.

As far as the safety thing goes, MMA gloves weigh 4 oz, compared with much heavier boxing gloves. IMO there's gotta be less force imparted on direct hits with MMA gloves.

Also the edge is nowhere near as big as you think it is for weight advantages.
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