Tribute Thread to Messi: the GOAT (and tax cheat) - Page 6 - Sporting Events and Fantasy Sports

Argentina
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[1] Roberto ABBONDANZIERI (GK) (-71')
[2] Roberto AYALA
[3] Juan SORIN (C)
[4] Fabricio COLOCCINI
[6] Gabriel HEINZE
[8] Javier MASCHERANO
[9] Hernan CRESPO (-79')
[10] Juan RIQUELME (-72')
[11] Carlos TEVEZ
[18] Maxi RODRIGUEZ
[22] Luis GONZALEZ
Substitute(s)
[12] Leonardo FRANCO (GK) (+71')
[23] Oscar USTARI (GK)
[5] Esteban CAMBIASSO (+72')
[7] Javier SAVIOLA
[13] Lionel SCALONI
[14] Rodrigo PALACIO
[15] Gabriel MILITO
[16] Pablo AIMAR
[17] Leandro CUFRE
[19] Lionel MESSI
[20] Julio CRUZ (+79')
[21] Nicolas BURDISSO
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lol

I don't recall this being all that LOL at the time (and at least he selected those players he left on the bench: P)

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01-09-2012 , 11:26 PM

#128

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I don't recall this being all that LOL at the time (and at least he selected those players he left on the bench: P)

I remember my dad and I being all omgwtfbbq when he brought on Cruz.

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01-09-2012 , 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by illini43

If Messi is replaced by Bojan Krkic or Eidur Gudjohnsen on those Barca teams, do they still win the CL?

Xavi is a top 5 player in the world (imo). I know stats aren't everything, they play different positions and roles, and Xavi is older than Messi but:

Over all competitions

Xavi:

08/09 - 16 G, 34 A
09/10 - 6 G, 19 A
10/11 - 5 G, 14 A
11/12 - 10 G, 9 A

Messi:

08/09 - 42 G, 18 A
09/10 - 49 G, 11 A
10/11 - 51 G, 22 A
11/12 - 33 G, 17 A

Messi > Xavi, but Barca probably does not win all those titles without both of them

Paging SirGaribaldi.

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01-09-2012 , 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Real Fix

I dont think anyone can argue that to be the GOAT, you really need to bring a mediocre team to the WC final.
Maradonna did it.
Zidane did it.

Being the GOAT is above technics & skills...

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This x 1000000000000000000000000000000000000. Btw Im not asking for a world cup final, all im asking is for him to show he is the best player in the world in the big stage.

How dare he decide to be born in Belfast, what an idiot.

This is a weak argument for GOAT determination, especially in this sport.

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01-09-2012 , 11:58 PM

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Anyone who watches a Barca with Messi on the field will recognize that he is the straw that stirs the drink.

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01-10-2012 , 12:02 AM

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Anyone who watches a Barca with Messi on the field will recognize that he is the straw that stirs the drink.

mmhmmm

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01-10-2012 , 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy

Comparisons across eras should always be relative to their era not absolute.

then the goat is proly pele, or better yet, some dude from the 20s when the competition was even moar crap.

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01-10-2012 , 12:16 AM

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It was a different sport in the 20's, that's just hyperbolic. No one makes those comparisons.

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01-10-2012 , 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Real Fix

I dont think anyone can argue that to be the GOAT, you really need to bring a mediocre team to the WC final.
Maradonna did it.
Zidane did it.

Being the GOAT is above technics & skills...

WTF kind of logic is this?

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01-10-2012 , 12:22 AM

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Wait, which French team was mediocre?

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01-10-2012 , 12:23 AM

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Lol at zidane's France being a mediocre team.

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01-10-2012 , 12:24 AM

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Calling that French team mediocre is pretty incredible.

Thuram, Desailly, Blanc, Vieira, Petit, Djorkaeff

Really mediocre cast of characters there.

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01-10-2012 , 12:24 AM

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lol xposts

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01-10-2012 , 12:28 AM

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Calling that French team mediocre is pretty incredible.

Thuram, Desailly, Blanc, Vieira, Petit, Djorkaeff

Really mediocre cast of characters there.

Don't forget Stephane Guivarch.

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01-10-2012 , 12:28 AM

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Don't forget Stephane Guivarch.

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01-10-2012 , 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by PlzBeALevel

It was a different sport in the 20's, that's just hyperbolic. No one makes those comparisons.

Yeah, I mean unless it's a case of being so, so, so far ahead of everyone else that it's impossible to ignore (like Don Bradman in cricket), this should usually be accepted as correct.

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01-10-2012 , 12:42 AM

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it was a different sport in the 50s too. and the 70s. hell, when i played soccer, the goalie could still handle a pass back.

being slightly better than the best competition of all time is just as impressive as dominating less evolved eras.

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01-10-2012 , 12:46 AM

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And yet when I made this argument in favour of George Mikan in the "greatest bigmen of all time" thread, I was chastized rather heartily for it.

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01-10-2012 , 12:50 AM

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well, i shouldnt have said "just as" but rather said "generally much more"

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01-10-2012 , 02:00 AM

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Woulda liked to see Xavi get player of the year this time around. The Legend deserves it.

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01-10-2012 , 02:02 AM

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messi GOAT ainec

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01-10-2012 , 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JsTs

Woulda liked to see Xavi get player of the year this time around. The Legend deserves it.

Xavi seems like he deserves to win it at some point in his career, but the problem is if you are being honest, he's never going to win it over Messi in a vote for who the actual best player of the year is.

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01-10-2012 , 02:35 AM

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The only reason why Messi wouldn't dominate the Premier League is that some English idiot would give him a season ending injury a few games in because of frustration over getting owned so hard.