ITT we have people who still don't understand variance somehow. This was clearly an outlier season on an overall downward trend. But ok sure, his comeback is right around the corner.

2013 is a long time ago. He's not a top 10,000 golfer.

I will say my roommate failed a breathalyzer and didn't get a DUI

For reference from:
2000-2009 he had 9,5,5,1,6,8,7,4,6 wins
2010-present he has 0,0,3,5,0,0,0,0 wins

No downward trend confirmed. Seriously continuing to trot 2013 out there is embarrassing.

You don't dominate golf for a year on variance. Five tournament victories is more than 99.9% of PGA pros in their entire careers. Winning a world-class event by seven shots is unheard of...unless you are Tiger.

He was clearly rebounding until the back issues came that have seemingly stopped everything.

The variance was not winning any majors. With only 4 events per year, of course that is going to happen.

This is just an absurd misunderstanding of how variance works. You wouldn't compare Tiger to 99.99% of other golfers. All that matters is Tiger's own mean and standard dev. Besides in my comparison I am comparing recent tiger to old tiger. A golfer could easily have a 95% confidence interval that was +/- 4 wins/year as is obvious by Tiger's previous 10 years where he had a mean of 5-6 and was always +/-4 from that mean. The same is true for the second sample. He has a mean of 1 and a distribution of +/-4. The variance is still there it is just that his mean wins have declined so much that its unlikely to win any most years with the occasional outlier (2013).

Also a big LOL at him "dominating golf for a year". If you meant he got hot for about 4 months one time in the last 8 years sure, he dominated golf.

Mugshot is not a good look.

Holiday weekends are rough for Tiger.

Not-So-Bold Prediction: He will be found not guilty of DUI with the defense that he was only taking his prescribed medications for his back pain.

Over/Under for the first usage of "disgraced golfer Tiger Woods" in MSM?
1/1/19 seems about right to me. (assuming it was not used a few years back)

You aren't taking into account age or prior injuries and making your analysis in a total statistical vacuum.

Tiger, in 2013, was older and injured. Five victories in that year could be more impressive than 10 victories in another year. If Tiger lost his arm and won one tournament, that could be more impressive than winning the Grand Slam.

I think that year was amazing and could have been the start of a career rebound vs. just a variance. I think the back surgeries after killed him and we will never know what could have been.

In terms of legacy, which also debatable, I think this event is also a killer. A lot easier to put Family Man Jack at the top. Tiger will forever have people that truly hate him for his actions off the course. Many people are basking in glee about what has happened to him.


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A DUI is completely irrelevant to his life. The previous scandal was orders of magnitude more damaging to him. It's not like a dui will prevent him from doing anything he cares about and he doesn't exactly stand to lose his job and end up on the streets due to a dui.

I can't even imagine he would go to rehab unless he wants to or it's court ordered which would seem pretty rare given there was no accident and it's a first time offense.

wtf tiger why

Yupp

Him sucking at golf is a much bigger issue for him

There are a lot of people who had relatives die from other's DUI that would disagree which is worse. First scenario, he hurt people in his life. Second scenario, he potentially hurt strangers.

Also, the first scenario is a story. The mugshot will forever become intertwined with his legacy.

Yes, court order would seem automatic rehab. You don't just get to buy your way out of a DUI. Always some conditions for parole. For the majority of citizens, it is absolutely the worst entanglement we will forever find ourselves with the law. Obviously very serious with being handcuffed, booked and jailed.

Where are you living? I have an acquaintance who does nothing but DUI law in Florida--and has made a very nice living at it.

yeaaaa pretty much what CDL said. After the iron to the face his legacy outside golf was always going to be ****. All he has to worry about now is on-course accomplishments which this DUI has no impact on.

Lawyers make money. If you plead no contest, there are conditions. This is way too high profile for Tiger to just pay a fine. He will have to do some community service and attend some type of court-ordered class.

I would bet money on it that he doesn't just get a fine.

Any takers?

I read he refused to take breathalyzer. I think he is looking at a one-year automatic suspension of driver's license. Automatic guilty. Already significantly worse than just paying a fine. I don't care who you are, you don't always want to rely on someone driving you every single place. Tiger is super-independent (obviously) and this will be painful for an entire year.


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Likely to get sneered at here, but anyone who gets a DUI is a heavy favorite to have a significant alcohol issue that requires some form of assistance.

Disagree. He has foundation and golf course projects.

This news will last a long time. I imagine there will have to be a court appearance to enter a plea and the judge issuing a ruling. It will be one of the biggest media circuses ever.

He won't be able to drive an entire year either. It is one thing of taking Uber as an option. It is quite another when you don't have a choice.

Innocent until proven you said.
I'm sure you'll be first on the list to be his driver.

he'll never play golf again, so what he has to worry about now is not being a dip****.

Couldn't he have hired Joe LaCava to be his chauffeur

I did write that. Until I read, supposedly, that he refused breathalyzer. Auto-guilty.

He gave up all hopes of defeating the charge. Maybe he thought he was .18. I don't know.

I read somewhere that you should choose blood test, even though it is very accurate, there is a longer delay to get results which may get you below limit. Perhaps Tiger was so far over it didn't matter.

More explaining coming from the Tiger camp why he refused to be tested.

Doesn't look good.

it depends on the state. my state is auto 1 yr suspension but not an automatic guilty for dui or ovi. it is far better to refuse to blow if you know you are over.

ohio may have changed this rule, but that was the rule about 4 yrs ago.

no idea what it is in florida or anywhere else and thats all that matters.

This isn't gonna help him get a job in the booth now is it... Now that I think about it he was probably practicing his booth work with Verne. Verne blurted out that Tiger could no longer drive straight... and here we are! Yes sir !!


The irony of Peteblow owning this thread is not lost on me.