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View Poll Results: How many professional major wins will Tiger end up with (currently has 14)?
14 - no more wins 14 10.85%
15 - one more than now 7 5.43%
16 - only two more 14 10.85%
17 - so close but not quite 12 9.30%
18 - ties Jack 11 8.53%
19 - GOAT 16 12.40%
20 or more 55 42.64%
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Old 06-22-2011, 08:50 PM   #176
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you got to be pretty mentally tough to have all your bitches organized around the country to **** while still dominating on the golf course all the while not getting caught by your wife. Doubt Jack went out and juggled all that strange pussy while winning his majors. So basically

Tiger > Jack
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I do love the idea that Jack raising a family without all the benefits of private jets and an army personal handlers/assistants was some easy thing.
Spot on.
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Old 06-22-2011, 08:53 PM   #177
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Plenty of golfers had hot flashes of golf like Tiger, it's just that his have been longer than all but one person in the modern era. E.g. during his time David Duval and Vijay were certainly better than he was for measurable stretches.
Yeah, Tiger had a "hot flash" of four straight majors, and 13 in 10 years. You'd have to stretch it out to a 19 years before you found any length of time where Tiger had less major championship, or PGA tour wins, than Jack. I wouldn't call that a "hot flash", but pretty consistent.

Still laughing at "Equally impressive is his record in all the majors for the 70s, easily the most dominant decade by one golfer in history", especially since Tiger won 13 in 10 years versus Jack's 8, including some of the most "dominant" wins in major championship history.
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Old 06-22-2011, 08:55 PM   #178
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I do love the idea that Jack raising a family without all the benefits of private jets and an army personal handlers/assistants was some easy thing.
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Spot on.
Jack didn't raise his family, Barbara did. Was he better than most fathers (golfers)? Probably, but just like most mothers back then, Barbara did 99% of the work.
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Old 06-22-2011, 08:59 PM   #179
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My dad travelled a ridiculous amount during my childhood because that was his means of putting bread on the table so my mom could stay home and raise us. Because he wasn't there all the time, that makes him less of a father?
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Old 06-22-2011, 09:53 PM   #180
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My dad travelled a ridiculous amount during my childhood because that was his means of putting bread on the table so my mom could stay home and raise us. Because he wasn't there all the time, that makes him less of a father?
Nope, but that means your mother raised you.
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Old 06-22-2011, 10:31 PM   #181
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Plenty of golfers had hot flashes of golf like Tiger, it's just that his have been longer than all but one person in the modern era. E.g. during his time David Duval and Vijay were certainly better than he was for measurable stretches.
Tiger woods had a 12-year "hot flash" which is not a hot flash anymore, it is complete and extended dominance. Vijay and Duval each had one year. And coincidentally enough, both of those years fell during Tiger's swing change years.
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Also, if you're just going to try to suggest his slumps somehow don't count against him then you're engaging in Enron math. His non-winning times are as much a "reflection of him as a golfer" as the good times were.
Not trying to suggest that at all. I'm saying that under normal circumstances, Tiger blows everyone clean out of the water. Under normal circumstances, Jack was better than everyone but not completely dominant.
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Old 06-22-2011, 10:40 PM   #182
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Plenty of golfers had hot flashes of golf like Tiger, it's just that his have been longer than all but one person in the modern era. E.g. during his time David Duval and Vijay were certainly better than he was for measurable stretches.
Tuq this is is silly, that's like saying that plenty of hitters had stretches like Albert Pujols, it's just that his has lasted for 10 years while other guys lasted for 1.

consistent greatness is all there is.
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Old 06-22-2011, 10:48 PM   #183
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Nice level though Tuq.
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:04 AM   #184
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Still laughing at "Equally impressive is his record in all the majors for the 70s, easily the most dominant decade by one golfer in history", especially since Tiger won 13 in 10 years versus Jack's 8, including some of the most "dominant" wins in major championship history.
I mean really, of all the obviously borderline things I posted, you picked the one that is pretty clearly debatable to be a condescending dick about? Another reminder of why you are the nut lolo when it comes to discussing golf.

To everyone else: I'm not even sure I'm pro-Jack so much as that was an attempt to make a case for his "side" though. Pretty much not more that can be said though and no minds are gonna be changed so I really hope I stop reading or at least posting in this thread.
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:20 AM   #185
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Stop it. There aren't that many haters, he's been one of the most rooted-for players in history. Regardless, he doesn't want to surpass 18 majors to silence haters, he wants to do it because IT HAS BEEN HIS PUBLICLY STATED GOAL SINCE HE BURST ON THE SCENE. He's personally established it as the benchmark, not haters or Jack fanbois.
Obviously he's not going to come out and tell everyone he's the GOAT? He has immense respect for past greats, but you're making it sound like Tiger wouldn't tell a friend that he'd stomp on Jack if they played together. Of course 18 has been his goal and he's said so. That doesn't change the fact that he knows he's the GOAT already even without passing 18.
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:36 AM   #186
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Also, sick hot flash from Tiger haha. Sorry tup, I couldn't resist. I'm sure you'd word it differently if you could go back. I know you're not just an outright hater and are about as objective as they come when it comes to someone who's not exactly a fan of the Tiger.
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Old 06-23-2011, 01:23 AM   #187
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You just knew I wouldn't stay away......

73 > 71 advantage Jack
20 > 17 advantage Jack

Jack still GOAT.

I'm right and most of you all aren't golfers!

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p.s. while I still believe Jack is currently the GOAT I'm mostly just ****ing with you guys.
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Old 06-23-2011, 02:06 AM   #188
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I really, really hope you aren't making this argument by including the many post-prime golf tournaments in which Jack participated and had virtually no chance of winning - e.g. the Memorial every year, all the majors, and most of the other tournaments after 1981. You probably are though, which makes it completely disingenuous. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
But he won the 86 Masters, so why would I discount all the other tournaments after 81 when he shipped a major five years later?

That said, go ahead and tally up his win percentage from 81 backwards. iirc it still doesn't come close to Tiger's.

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Even accounting for weaker fields, Jack's finish in majors is every bit as impressive. Just look at the run he had in the Open Championship. Between 1966 (when he won) and 1980 (T-4) Nicklaus competed in 15 Opens. The worst - THE WORST - he finished was T-6 in 1969. In that span of 15 years he had three wins and six runner-up finishes. So nine out of 15 years he either won or came in second.

Equally impressive is his record in all the majors for the 70s, easily the most dominant decade by one golfer in history:

It doesn't seem like you're accounting for the weaker fields based on the numbers that follow and you're lack of adjusting at all.

Setting that aside, take the 14 year stretch Tiger has had at Augusta since turning pro in 1997. He's only finished out of the top 8 three times, and is averaging a finish of 6.35. Migrate back to Jack's time and Tiger's Augusta record is unfathomable.

And others have already touched on the whole "most dominate decade by a golfer in history" so I don't think I need to add anything there. It seems we don't agree on the criteria for what makes up the most dominant decade in golf, so there's no point in discussing it.
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Old 06-23-2011, 02:13 AM   #189
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You just knew I wouldn't stay away......

73 > 71 advantage Jack
20 > 17 advantage Jack

Jack still GOAT.

I'm right and most of you all aren't golfers!

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p.s. while I still believe Jack is currently the GOAT I'm mostly just ****ing with you guys.
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Old 07-05-2011, 01:02 PM   #190
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So Tiger won't be playing The Open. Rory striking fear into the former World No1.
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Old 07-05-2011, 02:08 PM   #191
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So Tiger won't be playing The Open. Rory striking fear into the former World No1.
I think its best if he sits out the year altogether. Next year will be a big indicator of were his career is heading.

He always has all those big $$ from the Japanese Heat rub he now endorses. Guess them alimony payments are huge
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Old 07-05-2011, 04:21 PM   #192
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all the mudsharks sapped his powers
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His doc now admits bringing HGH across the border

http://www.montrealgazette.com/sport...588/story.html


Come Clean Tiger your a doper
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Old 07-07-2011, 04:48 PM   #194
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I would've thought the news about Galea would've sparked some discussion in here.

If Tiger's found to be guilty of some shady substance intake, surely he can't be mentioned in GOAT discussions anymore, right?
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Well the doc plead guilty. So there will be no testimony about how he supplied Tiger.

I agree I thought there would be more discussion on this also
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Old 07-07-2011, 09:43 PM   #196
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I would've thought the news about Galea would've sparked some discussion in here.

If Tiger's found to be guilty of some shady substance intake, surely he can't be mentioned in GOAT discussions anymore, right?
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Well the doc plead guilty. So there will be no testimony about how he supplied Tiger.

I agree I thought there would be more discussion on this also
A bunch of Tiger nuthuggers aren't exactly rushing to Tiger career threads atm.
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Old 07-07-2011, 10:48 PM   #197
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His doc now admits bringing HGH across the border

http://www.montrealgazette.com/sport...588/story.html


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Old 07-07-2011, 11:27 PM   #198
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His doc now admits bringing HGH across the border

http://www.montrealgazette.com/sport...588/story.html


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i dont believe hgh is against any rule set by the pga nor is it tested so whats the big deal?
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I would've thought the news about Galea would've sparked some discussion in here.

If Tiger's found to be guilty of some shady substance intake, surely he can't be mentioned in GOAT discussions anymore, right?
meh. Couldn't care less. Why doesn't anyone care about his surgically-obtained 20/15 vision?
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Well the doc plead guilty. So there will be no testimony about how he supplied Tiger.

I agree I thought there would be more discussion on this also
he might still go on trial in canada I thought
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