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View Poll Results: How many professional major wins will Tiger end up with (currently has 14)?
14 - no more wins 14 10.85%
15 - one more than now 7 5.43%
16 - only two more 14 10.85%
17 - so close but not quite 12 9.30%
18 - ties Jack 11 8.53%
19 - GOAT 16 12.40%
20 or more 55 42.64%
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Old 06-20-2011, 10:12 PM   #101
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Jack Nicklaus > Bobby Jones >>>>>>> Mike Weir > Constantino Rocca > Tiger
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Maybe not in terms of winning the most majors, but Tiger is already the GOAT. Improvements in technology have only helped the competition, and he would have absolutely crushed Jack et al. using their rickety ass excuses for golf clubs. Not to mention Tiger has won 14 majors in a day where competition is much deeper than when any of those guys played, new equipment or not.
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My nitty thanks to the poll maker who had the foresight to state professional majors unlike most. It will be interesting to see what happens if and when Tiger wins three more and ties Jack with 20 total majors. I promise you that's the number both Tiger and Jack are focused on.

As for almost half the voters saying 20+, I think many are voting subjectively rather than objectively.

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Rereading part of the thread, I had to laugh at this. An interview last week talked about the 18 major record. Not once did anyone say "professional majors", and Jack even said 18 himself. lol at anyone saying "I promise you that's the number both Tiger and Jack are focused on." I would be Tuq's bankroll on it.
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Old 06-20-2011, 10:36 PM   #102
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He's not called nitBO for nothing
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Old 06-20-2011, 10:36 PM   #103
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grunch: pole stupid, since 20+ is obv more likely to happen than any discrete number. Should be 14-16, 17-20, etc.

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Old 06-20-2011, 11:27 PM   #104
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This may be a dumb question, but how do we know whether or not the competition has become that much stiffer? Average scores can't be used as a barometer, so how can we be sure?
Fields are deeper now but fewer studs. That's the consensus amongst experts anyway.

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Old 06-20-2011, 11:55 PM   #105
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injuries god dammit. Tiger most talented of all time ainec.
A certain Spaniard just recently passed away who was arguably a better shotmaker than anyone who ever lived. I find this assertion to almost be more contentious than calling Tiger the GOAT right now.

Tiger's the most impressive physical specimen I've ever seen in professional golf, but that's as far as I'll go for now.
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Old 06-21-2011, 12:16 AM   #106
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Tiger's the most impressive physical specimen I've ever seen in professional golf, but that's as far as I'll go for now.
Eh, he's inarguably at least the 2nd greatest of all time, right now. I think he's got work to do to get to 1st, but it's silly to claim he's not at least 2nd.
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Old 06-21-2011, 12:17 AM   #107
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Okay, I didn't realize I could throw in "at minimum 2nd greatest ever" lol.
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Old 06-21-2011, 12:20 AM   #108
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Okay, I didn't realize I could throw in "at minimum 2nd greatest ever" lol.
Your post just gave the impression that he was like some top 10 guy, but still had some to prove yet.....I might've read too much into it.
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Old 06-21-2011, 12:20 AM   #109
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wow ppl really trying to pull the athlete and not real player denigrations in regards to a golfer who legitimately and irrefutably used less shots to finish 72 holes of a tournament.

like, i understand how this argument can be easily justified with twisted logic in a sport like nba, like with shaq or labron, but gof is completely quantifiable.
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Old 06-21-2011, 12:37 AM   #110
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Bad putters have hot weeks, plenty of below average putters win majors when they gain control and confidence of their putting, e.g. Bernhard Langer. No way you can rule out Sergio based on that alone.
I rule out Sergio until he buys a shirt that fits him.
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Old 06-21-2011, 12:41 AM   #111
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I was actually referring to this movement of "young guns" versus the players from a few years ago when Tiger was dominating. Are these new players that much better than the Vijays and Phils of of the past?
Winning the US Open by 8 I think opens the door to that, Phil won the bellsouth by 13 but running away with the US Open is a little different. Manaserro and Ishikawa are much more accomplished at their age than Mickelson and Els were as well.
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I was actually referring to this movement of "young guns" versus the players from a few years ago when Tiger was dominating. Are these new players that much better than the Vijays and Phils of of the past?

obviously pretty much impossible to answer that right now but i wouldn't bet on more than a couple guys out of the current young guns that have careers that rival Vijay or Phil

Vijay didn't enter beast mode until his late 30s but his peak in the mid 2000s was really quite sick
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Old 06-21-2011, 12:45 AM   #113
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Your post just gave the impression that he was like some top 10 guy, but still had some to prove yet.....I might've read too much into it.
Nah, obviously an incredible overall package, but my comment was more towards the "most talented ainec" post. The first thing that comes to mind when I think of being talented is shotmaking, and honestly, I don't think Tiger's the greatest shotmaker of all time. To me, that's Seve. Like, maybe I'm wrong, maybe most talented means most complete overall game, but I think there are a very few select players whose creativity and flair might surpass even that of Tiger, with Seve immediately coming to mind for me.

And then of course, I don't think Tiger is the GOAT, so that left me with my final statement.
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Old 06-21-2011, 03:47 AM   #114
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Old 06-21-2011, 03:54 AM   #115
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grunch: pole stupid, since 20+ is obv more likely to happen than any discrete number.
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Old 06-21-2011, 08:50 AM   #116
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I was actually referring to this movement of "young guns" versus the players from a few years ago when Tiger was dominating. Are these new players that much better than the Vijays and Phils of of the past?
The new players are better than Garcia, Villegas, and A. Kim. And there's more of them.
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Old 06-21-2011, 10:35 AM   #117
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A certain Spaniard just recently passed away who was arguably a better shotmaker than anyone who ever lived. I find this assertion to almost be more contentious than calling Tiger the GOAT right now.
Talent goes beyond shotmaking. And Tiger may not have a parking lot recovery under his belt, but he has played some shots that I don't think even Seve could pull off
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Old 06-21-2011, 11:25 AM   #118
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I said a long time ago on these forum when Tiger was being anointed by many as the best ever let's wait and see if he passes Jack before we anoint him the greatest ever. A case can be made that winning 14 majors like Tiger's done, along with his incredible pro record may actually make him the best ever. FWIW the emergence of the international players has made the golf landscape much more competitive in my view. I mean there were prominent golfers from other countries in Jack's day but not as many.

I have no idea how bad Tiger's physical problems are. Again FWIW what I've observed is that he lacks consistency which I believe will come with a better physical condition and having practice time. I believe he has the talent to re-emerge.
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Old 06-21-2011, 11:32 AM   #119
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I just hope Tiger emerges fully healthy so we can see him duel Rory and some of these other guys.
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Old 06-21-2011, 12:05 PM   #120
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No doubt Tiger is GOAT in regards to peak performance. Multiple 2 year stretches of crazy good stuff. Career is a little different, although I do think that matching 18 combined with his peak and the deeper fields means that if he gets there it should be undisputed GOAT.

I do think he is a slight dog to win 4 more though.
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Old 06-21-2011, 01:06 PM   #121
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Talent goes beyond shotmaking. And Tiger may not have a parking lot recovery under his belt, but he has played some shots that I don't think even Seve could pull off
It depends who is doing the grading. He hit a pull hook around some trees on 9 at Augusta last year that every single player in the field could execute with some consistency but the fanbois went insane with OMG ONLY TIGER COULD HIT THAT SHOT GREATEST PLAYER EVAR <3 <3 <3. It gets pretty ridiculous.

And until AND IF he recovers his putting stroke consistently, which is the real reason he won so much - and there's no guarantee he will - he doesn't deserve to be a favorite to win any more majors. His putter bailed him out for well over a decade, now some of his strokes are downright balky. It derailed Tom Watson's career around Tiger's current age, no reason it can't happen to him as well.
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Old 06-21-2011, 01:21 PM   #122
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Tiger is the GOAT from the rough. His strength has allowed him to hold the club head on the swing path much better than anyone else. He hits shots out of the rough that no one else can even attempt. Of course the old grooves that are now illegal may have had something to do with that but mainly it was his unmatched strength. Unfortunately for Tiger he gets to demonstrate his ability out of the rough much too often due to his well below average driver accuracy.
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Eh, he's inarguably at least the 2nd greatest of all time, right now. I think he's got work to do to get to 1st, but it's silly to claim he's not at least 2nd.

That is a tough one. Jack by his record was the greatest but Tiger dominated more than nay golfer in a time that there were more great golfers on tour.

That said as Tiger may never win again(my opinion only) many will say Jack is the greatest.

I can only imagine if Tiger could get healthy and compete again and Rory maintains his game what a great Rival there could be. Ratings would shoot through the roof also
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Fields are deeper now but fewer studs. That's the consensus amongst experts anyway.

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I don't know how you can objectively prove this, but it doesn't really make sense. golfers (like other athletes) now have access to far better training, more training year round, better fitness, better equipment, etc etc and on top of that more people are playing than ever before.

it stands to reason that rising above all this is much harder for any one person to do than it used to be. so while it might look like there are fewer studs, anybody who is winning money consistency is a stud on a level with most of the older guys.

that doesn't mean Padraig = Jack but he probably gets underrated historically
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Old 06-21-2011, 02:08 PM   #125
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He hit a pull hook around some trees on 9 at Augusta last year that every single player in the field could execute with some consistency but the fanbois went insane with OMG ONLY TIGER COULD HIT THAT SHOT GREATEST PLAYER EVAR <3 <3 <3. It gets pretty ridiculous.
My God, this so much. It is amazing how retarded people are when over-hyping this type of shot.
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