yep

ZJ porn story is epic haha

Tiger sucks. Sinking putts and banging sluts is a goatish phrase though.

Is he bi and now sucks ****? Because he certainly doesn't suck at golf.

this is fascinating stuff, I think I'm getting myself stuck everytime I swing

You obviously don't have a clue about what it's like to be a rich d-bag.

What's it like being a rich d-bag?

Bob Dylan doesnt have a team either, therefore it must be impossible to just enjoy his product, and we can only care about who is he is as a person. ****, well, I'll go delete my Blonde on Blonde I guess.

Its amusing that you say big difference when the difference is not only small, it doesnt actually exist.

You got me there. I don't.

Fair enough. I never said that I don't think he should have fans of his golf game. I guess I can see how someone would appreciate his talen. But it just seems so difficult to root for him. I have trouble with it.

I think you misunderstood what I said.

You said it is different to like Dali for his art than it is to like Tiger for his golf. The reason you gave was that Tiger isnt on a team, so you have only the man to identify with.

It is not different, it is exactly the same. Why hold Tiger to a different standard than Mick Jagger?

Art and sports are quite different, you know. One can love the art that is produced and know nothing about the person who created it. You can't separate the golfer from his (in our lifetime, televised) rounds. Obv there are more differences, but that's an important one.

Why not?

You can't just state this without giving a reason lol.

I've always liked Tiger(Mostly because I don't give a **** what he does in his personal life), but no way in hell was he ever catching Jack...Even less of a chance now obviously.

Fail.

What about actors then? Exact same thing.

His golf is his art. I don't really see any difference in appreciation.

Barry Bonds was a dbag from what i heard, and he took roids, but what he did at the plate 2001-2004 clearly looked different (superior) to all other players. I'm glad I watched every ab I could of hs during that time, we may never see a hitter (an artist at hitting) of that level again. I'm also glad he got away with his roiding for as long as he did, otherwise I never would've seen a hitter that good.

People are certainly wired differently.

I used to be a S.F. Giants fan (living on the east coast) because of Will the Thrill Clark. I had to stop liking the Giants because of Barroids Bonds. Sure, the steroids thing was bad, but it was his douchebag attitude that did it. I would keep reading and hearing interviews that clearly showed what an ahole he was. I couldn't even watch Giants games with the same love that I once had. I (and maybe I'm rare in this case) could not get over the ahole factor that Bonds added. As far as watching the best swing ever, there are plenty of non-enhanced swings that are amazing. There are plenty of "bests" out there to keep fans happy. One might not have to look further than this post (Will Clark's swing sure was sweet).

And calling swinging a bat an "art" is not the same thing as a creative work that an artist produces like a statue or painting. That is the definition of art that I'm not using here. I'm using the most common definition- as is described in the first two sentences here. Obviously. The actor is working within a creative piece. The athlete repeats physical acts over and over again, especially with batting, so that the reaction can be fast enough to keep up with the speed of the sport.



I'm in the camp of liking (or not liking) an athlete based on talent and the type of person he or she is.

What I don't do is bash others for not being this way and liking athletes based purely on talent.

We all have a right to like and dislike who we want even if other people don't agree with why we like them.

Confirmed David Robinson/Tim Duncan fan.

With music, you don't necessarily root for anything to happen, you just enjoy the product. There's really no "keeping score" or at least there isn't in the same way that there is with Golf.

There's a difference between appreciating the talent that Tiger has and actually rooting for him to win. I appreciate that he has tremendous talent but I can't bring myself to root for him to win.

With Mick Jager, I appreciate the talent and that's all that really matters.

A salient difference seems to be that some forms of "art" can be appreciated without being constantly reminded of the douchebag artist. This kinda works for Mick Jagger, not so much for Tiger Woods.

Its pretty difficult to out-****** the golf forum TW thread, buy by god you guys have gone and done it

yeah I don't much care for the black folk either

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You trolling? Read the last sentence of my post. I never mentioned race once in my post, either.

For you to follow my post with that **** is just silly.

Either you changed your sports allegiance b/c your team acquired the greatest player to ever play the game, or you changed your sports allegiance b/c your team acquired an outspoken scary black guy. the first reason seems pretty unlikely. I mean, at best you're a terrible fan

your last line is equivalent to saying "well I've got lots of black friends!"

also, bonds never failed a steroids test

also, saying BB's swing wasn't art makes me think you've never watched a baseball game

also, you suck

Not to get involved here but I absolutely thought you're first post was a joke. This post is just insanely ******ed and incredibly misguided.

My lord, there are actually people that think like this?