So you call me out for not knowing stats.

Then you debunk a stat because of "hybridness".

??

Seriously I don't mean to say that Tim Tebow isn't good, but he is really more comparable to McCoy/Bradford than he is VY. He is totally an overhyped over glorified product of the ridiculously overrated SEC. I just read that the ACC/Big East was better than the Big 12, which is just hilarious. If Texas Tech were in the Big East, they would probably win it every year.

Look everyone, Tebow just threw a goddamn 3 yard jump pass and fed a poor black child with manna from heaven. And look at those pectoral muscles!!!!!

GOAT

Career Rushing numbers any college rusher would love to have?

574 rushes for 2415 yards for 4.2 yards a carry

Yeah, there's probably only 2-3 thousand people with better college rushing stats, but carry on with claiming him to be the greatest rusher of all time.

Tim Tebow falls into the "overrated by the general public/media, which in turn leads to him being underrated on 2p2" phenomenon.

TDs. which is why i said career numbers. obviously if i was referencing pure yardage i wouldnt have used the phrase "career number any rusher would love to have"

no really though keep trying to find someone who has done both better! its cute

edit to lol @ your stupidity: can you even read? honestly? i just remembered i wrote like 3 posts ago that i dont consider him to be the best rusher nor the best passer of all time.

I made a poor response to this. My entire point is that you were using stats to prove that Tebow>Vince Young. If you base your argument on stats, then many players beat Tebow, including Bradford. If you don't base it on stats, then your argument against Vince Young is invalid.

Oh, and I said Bradford's numbers as a sophomore were better. They didn't play soph vs soph, they played soph vs junior, and a little player named Percy Harvin helped Tebow immensely.

And if they made correct interference calls, Bradford's numbers in the NC game would have been much better. How sweet was this pass that the defender hit early (and illegally)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fJxN...eature=related

Those are some awesome freshman stats. How about these numbers from the highest rated QB in 2007 (as a freshman)?

Games 14
QB Rating 176.5
Attempts 341
Completions 237
Percentage 69.5
Yards 3121
Yards/Game 222.9
Yards/Att 9.2
Touchdowns 36
Interceptions 8

Or as a sophomore (also the highest rated QB)?
Games 14
Rating 180.8
Attempts 483
Completions 328
Percentage 67.9
Yards 4720
Yards/Game 337.1
Yards/Attempt 9.8
Touchdowns 50
Interceptions 8

But who has the better shoulder stats?

lol wut.
tebows stats in both categories are why hes even being talked about.
im saying hes better than bradford because of the fact that his passing stats are like 70% of bradfords but bradfords rushing stats are 20% of tebows. plus, bradfords are out of the big 12.
ignoring the fact that it was both their 2nd full seasons at the QB position, id say it was more a factor of bradford finally facing a real defense.

im not even going to address this because its so stupid. the fact that you would bring it up means you wouldnt understand the argument about why its idiotic.

omg i just watched that, i had originally assumed it was not only an actually legitimate complaint but that it had some bearing on the outcome. 1 minute into the game? and you complain about a hit like that? lol

big 12 lol

youre right though, just a huge coincidence that oklahoma avgs 51.1 pts a game until the national championship vs a good defense. no, really! UFOs are real too!

what bout the national championships stat? 2 vs 0.

Lol, yeah Percy didn't make a difference in the game.

That's a really intelligent response there. The fact that you think that one game is signficant in the argument, but one play isn't, shows how little you really understand.

Get your tongue off of Tebow's nuts and think for a change.

Bradford's irrelevant. Debates like this are, by their very nature, results oriented. The fact that he's hurt and likely won't play his senior season count. Hypotheticals don't.

That said, Tebow > Bradford anyways, even if you just take best season vs. best season and ignore logevity, etc imo.

Bradford didn't exactly have scrubby teammates himself. What was the spread on the game, like 3pts?

51.1 pts going into the game vs big 12 defenses
14 pts in the game.

dude, you are comparing BRADFORD. at least people other than UF fans are talking about tebow like he has a shot. ive never heard anyone other than a sooner say the ******ed things you are saying.

if you werent already past the point of no return, id tell you to use what little brain power you have and get off of bradfords nuts and think for a change.

True, although I think it would have been different (in the long run) if Bradford wasn't hurt, imo. The main point is that Tebow isn't even far ahead of his nearest rival. He's just the best player on the best program right now.

I find it laughable that Tebow is in anyone's Heisman conversation right now, considering he's passing for 170 yards/game and 3.8 yards/carry. Against his top three opponents, Tennesse (115 yards, 2.2/carry), LSU (134/2.2), Arkansas (255,2.6). Heisman? Really?

Don't disagree, but this is an award that has a long history of "QB on the best team" winning it regardless of worthiness.

I mean, its a weak class. Clausen? Really?

Ok you can take Tebow in the top 5 of the nfl draft then, I'll take Bradford

One important thing is that VY had Cedric Benson his Soph. season, who had 1800 yards rushing and 19 rushing TDs. There wasn't as big a need for VY to do it all on the ground when they had the Doak Walker award winner on their team. If Florida had the best RB in college on their team, Tebow would have way less TDs and rushing yards. His numbers have benefited from the fact that their best RB is 5'8" 183lb and not 5'11" 235lb.

Irrelevant IMO. He did what he did. I mean, Tommie Frazier benefitted from playing on the greatest college football team of all time - with a devastating O-Line and a true stud at RB that defenses had to respect. He's still considered by many (myself included) as the current GOAT.

I'm surprised VY is even in this debate. He had an awesome season, but your one season either needs to be ungodly (Sanders), or you need multiple years to be in this discussion.

1000 yards rushing and 3000 yards passing is pretty beastly, plus he pretty much singlehandedly won the national championship game. I don't have the historical knowledge to properly place him in the grand scheme of things, but he was a beast.

WTF

Is it really fair to use bowl games as indicators of true talent and/or team strength? I mean, they play twelve games, building cohesiveness, and then take nearly a month or more off. Can't some teams' performances be attributed to that some?

People make too big of a deal over Tebow's QB rushing abilities imo. You could make cases that Tommie Frazier, Michael Vick, Vince Young and Jake Locker are all better running QBs than Tebow.

None come close to touching him passing wise, however.