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11-06-2014 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by GBP04
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...nt-sources-say



umm isn't this really really bad for Goodell?
Can you commit perjury during an arbitration hearing? Or is it just within a court setting?
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11-06-2014 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by cobrakai111
Can you commit perjury during an arbitration hearing? Or is it just within a court setting?
Based on my knowledge from reading a lot of John Grisham books, I believe he would have committed perjury had he lied yesterday. He was under oath and iirc that is when it comes into play.

On a related note, the Grisham novel that just dropped is atrocious. I stopped reading after 75 or so pages.
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11-06-2014 , 10:40 PM


lol
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11-06-2014 , 10:51 PM
Pretty sure Grisham novels are basically ad libs for lawyera
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11-06-2014 , 11:38 PM
I'd like to see a Grisham potboiler starring Charlie Kelly
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11-07-2014 , 06:16 AM
Bob Ryan bs podcast A+

lol Grisham
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11-07-2014 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Dids
It's not hard to find what he said, and it's not just about 4 games.
upon further review Simmons seems be saying 3 incompatible things:

1) Lebron has looks completely different in every way since he put on a Cavs uniform

2) he's not judging him on the small regular season sample size b/c he watched the entire preseason on top of the 4 regular season games

3) please don't criticize me for coming to sweeping conclusions so early in the season, I'm not jumping to conclusions here

which of course are incompatible statements - he wants to have it every way. sorry Bill but if you wanted to say "it's early in the season, Lebron hasn't played great but I'm sure he'll turn it around" you could have. but you went a different route entirely.
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11-07-2014 , 09:51 AM
They're completely compatible. The obvious interpretation of his remarks imo: 'LeBron looks completely different. I've watched him during preseason, so this isn't a reflexive statement based on the Cavs' recent performances. But I know how early this is, so there's a good chance this just goes away as the season progresses.'

You're allowed to make conclusions after four games without the default assumption being that those conclusions extend toward the rest of the season, and Bill helpfully clarifies to that end as well.
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11-07-2014 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
There isn't a lot of hot fire. It's mostly Bob Ryan being Bob Ryan and talking hoops. But when Jackson came up his voice took a very vitriolic tone.
they also edited ryan saying "bitching" but missed when he called cal murphy "a tough little f***er"
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11-07-2014 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by wiper
it's been a tab open on my work comp for 2 days now, I'm like 1/3rd through and am getting ready to close the tab. lol

more sumo, less not-sumo pls

I retract this statement.

Great article, can't remember liking one better when it was all said and done. really paints a picture..
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11-07-2014 , 10:17 AM
What MM response this morning?
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11-07-2014 , 10:33 AM
Simmons take is just the worst kind of sports #hottake. He wanted to be the "insightful guy" who was the first to draw comparisons between Pujols and Lebron. Except they're not apt yet, but he still wants to be first. So he goes out there and prequalifies his #hottake with "if it continues down this path". If you allow me to paint the future of the season however I want it to go sure I can draw comparisons between 2 players. But those imagined futures haven't actually happened. So to make it seem OK, Simmons gives it the "I'm not saying but I'm saying" qualifier which is basically a way of trying to make a bold #hottake while also giving yourself an out in case it doesn't come true.
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11-07-2014 , 10:47 AM
I don't really see it that way. I think he likes talking and Cowherd asked him to be on his show. they get to talking to lebron, how he's been bad this year. Simmons tosses out a potential analogy. not seeing much hot take going on here. Same as the people saying Brady reminds them of Montana (during the Pats 2nd superbowl run) or "if this team wins out, are they the best ever?" . just not really a hot take. It's a fun hypothetical, what if lebron continued to suck? also I didn't take it this way, but I suppose he could have been getting at the PED thing. that would be interesting.

that said if you wanna pan simmons for terrible hot takes look no further than his 41-1 Cavs home record prediction.
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11-07-2014 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Das Boot
They're completely compatible. The obvious interpretation of his remarks imo: 'LeBron looks completely different. I've watched him during preseason, so this isn't a reflexive statement based on the Cavs' recent performances. But I know how early this is so there's a good chance this just goes away as the season progresses.'
but afaik he did not say the bolded

he said "I know it's early so don't jump on me" but that thought could easily be completed with:

"I know it's early but he'll probably turn it around so don't jump on me"
"I know it's early but he may or may not turn it around so don't jump on me"
"I know it's early but I'm sort of doubtful he'll turn it around but either way don't jump on me b/c I'm giving myself an out here"

given it's Simmons I'm not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt / that what he really meant to say was not controversial at all

again, if he wanted to say "he's looked bad but I think he'll turn it around" that would have been a simple thing to say
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11-07-2014 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141
So to make it seem OK, Simmons gives it the "I'm not saying but I'm saying" qualifier which is basically a way of trying to make a bold #hottake while also giving yourself an out in case it doesn't come true.
Given that his comment was about four games that will likely be irrelevant by Christmas, this is actually the more responsible way to have a #hottake.
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11-07-2014 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod
but afaik he did not say the bolded
Of course he didn't. That's just what follows from acknowledging that you're expressing an observation based on four games plus the preseason.

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he said "I know it's early so don't jump on me" but that thought could easily be completed with:
The thought is complete. People are familiar with the idea of a small sample size by now. When you specifically acknowledge "it's early," or "it's four games into the regular season," you don't need to explicitly say, "So there's a high degree of uncertainty in my projection because four games + preseason doesn't carry massive predictive weight." That naturally follows.

Obviously you're welcome to your own exegesis, but I don't think it's supported. Simmons' comments were fine.
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11-07-2014 , 11:24 AM
Bill Simmons is someone who talks about understanding what small sample sizes mean but then very often will say stuff that runs contrary to his supposed understanding. so I can't just give him the benefit of the doubt here like I would with other people.

basically he wants to be both #casualfan and #smartguy so he gets into situations like this.
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11-07-2014 , 11:28 AM
"Benefit of the doubt" = not actively interpreting his words in the least charitable way possible/in a different way than any other person saying the same thing. "Situations like this" = Mike and Mike deliberately taking his words out of context. Agree other than that.
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11-07-2014 , 11:31 AM
Simmon's #hottake is supported with better reasoning than a lot of what we get in this forum. The qualifiers he threw in are a lot more than we usually get on ESPN. We're really coming down on him for that? What is the standard we're to hold him too here?
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11-07-2014 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Das Boot
"Benefit of the doubt" = not actively interpreting his words in the least charitable way possible/in a different way than any other person saying the same thing. "Situations like this" = Mike and Mike deliberately taking his words out of context. Agree other than that.
THHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSS.
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11-07-2014 , 12:15 PM
Isn't part of the issue that fact that espn talking heads say dumb stuff like this all day everyday. So to Simmons, it probably feels like M&M just want to call him out; like they're picking on him.

The veracity of his claim isn't the only issue; it's that questionable statements get made 24/7 on ESPN but Mike and Mike have a hard on about busting chops only on this one.
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11-07-2014 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Dids
Simmon's #hottake is supported with better reasoning than a lot of what we get in this forum. The qualifiers he threw in are a lot more than we usually get on ESPN. We're really coming down on him for that? What is the standard we're to hold him too here?
Ya people have been doing pretty much the exact same thing in TZ I don't see what the big deal is. The only difference is Simmons gets paid for it.
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11-07-2014 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ArmyofFun
You can , but you shouldn't, ever.
People enjoy talking sports. As long as you acknowledge the SSS I don't see an issue.
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11-07-2014 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ArmyofFun
You can , but you shouldn't, ever.
When you're on a show being paid to talk about the NBA, you should probably come up with something to say.
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