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11-07-2012 , 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by StoppedRainingMen
what state did silver get wrong? can't see it but the electoral votes dont' add up
Nevada and Alaska haven't been called. Nor has Florida I believe.

If FL goes Red and everything else goes Blue, he's 50/50
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11-07-2012 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
it's not just the president's call. Fighting drugs employs a ton of people. Lots and lots of spending. And frankly, Obama the social liberal is pretty underwhelming. I think people projected a lot of beliefs onto him that aren't necessarily true. There's no evidence he's just going to reverse the huge surge in domestic drug raids. I think he's bought into drugs are bad mmkay.

I mean if he does, that's great. I just don't see it. It's wishful thinking.
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Originally Posted by Victor
im pretty sure moast of the voting mericans hate drugs and want them gone. they also love police. and police love going after drug dealers and feeling important.
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Originally Posted by Richard Tanner
...From the first paragraph in the article: "...according to a nationwide Rasmussen poll of 1,000 likely voters."

GOOD JOB, GOOD EFFORT
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Originally Posted by Richard Tanner
Hahaha nice work. Keep trying to grab onto something.

Arguing about the effectiveness of polls doesn't exactly seem like a recipe for success and since we're talking about legalized/decriminalized marijuana, that's the drug that matters.

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Good Effort
nice snark but heres a nice timeline to help.

obv i was addressing drugs

regardless, lol at u for relying so hard on a 1k sample as being indicative of a 300m nation.
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11-07-2012 , 02:24 AM
I'm enthusiastic about this election not out of some vision of an Obama-led utopia but because it means Republicans haven't won by: holding the government hostage for four years, running a racially tinged, reality-independent scare campaign, nominating pres/VP candidates who ran as a business expert and a policy wonk and yet refused to provide any plausible sketch of their budget.

I mean, there's a ton of stuff not to love about Obama, but his victory is still a relative victory for sanity imo. Supports gay marriage, supports a woman's right to choose, is willing to make sane cuts to defense spending, etc. I want a president who represents the reality-based community.
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11-07-2012 , 02:27 AM
Das Boot for mod
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11-07-2012 , 02:28 AM
Here are the quotes you opted not to include in your timeline immediately before you started, can't imagine why:

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Originally Posted by Richard Tanner
Obama can do whatever he wants since he's got his 2nd term, I would entirely expect him to ignore weed on the federal level.
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
lol. no. 'fraid not.
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Originally Posted by Richard Tanner
Any reason for this? I realize he said he didn't care about them in '08 and then sent the FDA after them, but this isn't the same situation. There's no political points to be gained and you know Barry himself is a friend of the ganj. Can't see him ordering the feds in this time around.
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
it's not just the president's call. Fighting drugs employs a ton of people. Lots and lots of spending. And frankly, Obama the social liberal is pretty underwhelming. I think people projected a lot of beliefs onto him that aren't necessarily true. There's no evidence he's just going to reverse the huge surge in domestic drug raids. I think he's bought into drugs are bad mmkay.

I mean if he does, that's great. I just don't see it. It's wishful thinking.
Pretty clear we were talking about weed.

As for the sample size, it might shock you to realize that taking a small sample of a larger group can show a reasonable approximation of how that larger group will respond. Further, once you get past a certain number, you can actually extrapolate that data for a VERY large number. Statistics are cool that way.

Anyway:
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You know what it is, bitch
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11-07-2012 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Das Boot
I'm enthusiastic about this election not out of some vision of an Obama-led utopia but because it means Republicans haven't won by: holding the government hostage for four years, running a racially tinged, reality-independent scare campaign, nominating pres/VP candidates who ran as a business expert and a policy wonk and yet refused to provide any plausible sketch of their budget.

I mean, there's a ton of stuff not to love about Obama, but his victory is still a relative victory for sanity imo. Supports gay marriage, supports a woman's right to choose, is willing to make sane cuts to defense spending, etc. I want a president who represents the reality-based community.
Pretty, pretty good post imo
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11-07-2012 , 02:30 AM
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11-07-2012 , 02:35 AM
Tonight was not a mandate on Obama.

Tonight was a mandate that said that 1950s America is dead for good. Legalized marijuana passed in multiple states. Gay marriage passed at least in Washington. And multiple Republicans lost Senate races due to ignorant and condescending attitudes towards women's rights.

The Republican Party is not dead. They are capable of having some good ideas. But as long as they run on social attitudes that are out of touch with > 70% of America, they will continue to be voted down, and in my opinion rightly so.
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11-07-2012 , 02:36 AM
Coming out to "Signed, Sealed, Delivered", nice
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11-07-2012 , 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141
Tonight was not a mandate on Obama.

Tonight was a mandate that said that 1950s America is dead for good. Legalized marijuana passed in multiple states. Gay marriage passed at least in Washington. And multiple Republicans lost Senate races due to ignorant and condescending attitudes towards women's rights.

The Republican Party is not dead. They are capable of having some good ideas. But as long as they run on social attitudes that are out of touch with > 70% of America, they will continue to be voted down, and in my opinion rightly so.
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11-07-2012 , 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by StoppedRainingMen
+1
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11-07-2012 , 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Richard Tanner
Here are the quotes you opted not to include in your timeline immediately before you started, can't imagine why:









Pretty clear we were talking about weed.

As for the sample size, it might shock you to realize that taking a small sample of a larger group can show a reasonable approximation of how that larger group will respond. Further, once you get past a certain number, you can actually extrapolate that data for a VERY large number. Statistics are cool that way.

Anyway:
Spoiler:
You know what it is, bitch
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lol at u
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11-07-2012 , 02:41 AM
lol can't imagine how pissed i'd be watching this speech if i voted romney
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11-07-2012 , 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by toddw8
+1
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11-07-2012 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
im pretty sure moast of the voting mericans hate drugs and want them gone. they also love police. and police love going after drug dealers and feeling important.
I actually don't think the first part of that is true. The "traditional America" (read: suburban white America) probably does, but America is much more diverse than that.

Police / the DOJ / the DEA needing to justify their existence is a genuine problem imo.
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11-07-2012 , 02:43 AM
Vic, I'm sure it's hard to read this thread with my balls so firmly entrenched on your forehead, but I want to make sure you don't miss the best two posts of the last ten pages:

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Originally Posted by Das Boot
I'm enthusiastic about this election not out of some vision of an Obama-led utopia but because it means Republicans haven't won by: holding the government hostage for four years, running a racially tinged, reality-independent scare campaign, nominating pres/VP candidates who ran as a business expert and a policy wonk and yet refused to provide any plausible sketch of their budget.

I mean, there's a ton of stuff not to love about Obama, but his victory is still a relative victory for sanity imo. Supports gay marriage, supports a woman's right to choose, is willing to make sane cuts to defense spending, etc. I want a president who represents the reality-based community.
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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141
Tonight was not a mandate on Obama.

Tonight was a mandate that said that 1950s America is dead for good. Legalized marijuana passed in multiple states. Gay marriage passed at least in Washington. And multiple Republicans lost Senate races due to ignorant and condescending attitudes towards women's rights.

The Republican Party is not dead. They are capable of having some good ideas. But as long as they run on social attitudes that are out of touch with > 70% of America, they will continue to be voted down, and in my opinion rightly so.
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11-07-2012 , 02:43 AM
White evangelists confirmed upset.
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11-07-2012 , 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Das Boot
I'm enthusiastic about this election not out of some vision of an Obama-led utopia but because it means Republicans haven't won by: holding the government hostage for four years, running a racially tinged, reality-independent scare campaign, nominating pres/VP candidates who ran as a business expert and a policy wonk and yet refused to provide any plausible sketch of their budget.

I mean, there's a ton of stuff not to love about Obama, but his victory is still a relative victory for sanity imo. Supports gay marriage, supports a woman's right to choose, is willing to make sane cuts to defense spending, etc. I want a president who represents the reality-based community.
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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141
Tonight was not a mandate on Obama.

Tonight was a mandate that said that 1950s America is dead for good. Legalized marijuana passed in multiple states. Gay marriage passed at least in Washington. And multiple Republicans lost Senate races due to ignorant and condescending attitudes towards women's rights.

The Republican Party is not dead. They are capable of having some good ideas. But as long as they run on social attitudes that are out of touch with > 70% of America, they will continue to be voted down, and in my opinion rightly so.
to both of these. I'm excited not because I think Obama will suddenly transform into Superliberal, but because we rejected all of the things mentioned in these two posts.
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11-07-2012 , 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Richard Tanner
Vic, I'm sure it's hard to read this thread with my balls so firmly entrenched on your forehead, but I want to make sure you don't miss the best two posts of the last ten pages:
i mean u keep harping on this 560 out of 1k sample as proving that mericans want pot legal. theres no verification of how they framed the question or where or how they grabbed the ppl.

u are either a complete idiot or trolling hard.

regardless, lol if u think mericans dont hat drugs. which is all that i have consistently railed against, first in response to kc.

so its pretty cool we are finally slightly above 50% over a small sample of nebulous collection on one of the moast mundane drugs, but get back to me when our heroin laws resemble portugal and netherlands.
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11-07-2012 , 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
yeah i hadn't been hearing much of jindal in the past 4 years after people were fapping over him.
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Why's that (Serious question)?
The biggest thing here is his school voucher fiasco. He's come up with a plan to give out state education money in the form of vouchers to approved private schools, except that it turns out they either did no work vetting these schools or are purposely dumping money to religious organizations, as many of these schools are tiny religious schools that don't conform to a reality-based education. So you have situations like a school with a total student body of 54 getting 80 vouchers. Or a school being run by a guy who is a self-proclaimed prophet and has a bunch of other registered nonprofits in his name in bad standing in the state of Louisiana. Schools whose science curriculums supposed dragons were real and humans and dinosaurs lived together. Or whose social studies programs taught that the KKK was a force for social justice. Or that advanced math is a tool of the devil. etc. (If you're really curious, one of my best friends is, among other things, a blogger who did a ton of research exposing this stuff. Anyway, you can start here).

There are other reasons I think he would not be a viable presidential candidate-- he's got enough Michele Bachmann in him that he would inevitably embarrass himself on the national stage, for starters-- but the voucher thing is the biggest one. He was supposed to be Romney's education surrogate, and yet his plan is a totally embarrassing ****up. Honestly, I think the reasons he'd fail as a presidential candidate are the same reasons he wasn't offered the VP slot.
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11-07-2012 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Richard Tanner
...From the first paragraph in the article: "...according to a nationwide Rasmussen poll of 1,000 likely voters."

GOOD JOB, GOOD EFFORT
Thayer is working as a pollster nowadays?
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11-07-2012 , 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
i mean u keep harping on this 560 out of 1k sample as proving that mericans want pot legal. theres no verification of how they framed the question or where or how they grabbed the ppl.

u are either a complete idiot or trolling hard.

regardless, lol if u think mericans dont hat drugs. which is all that i have consistently railed against, first in response to kc.

so its pretty cool we are finally slightly above 50% over a small sample of nebulous collection on one of the moast mundane drugs, but get back to me when our heroin laws resemble portugal and netherlands.
Whether or not Americans hate "drugs" doesn't seem to matter when it comes to whether or not the federal government will go after marijuana in states that have legalized/decriminalized it.

And stop acting like sampling isn't indicative of the majority or that the link I gave is the only piece of evidence out there (Here's another, from last year).

Americans don't hate weed, and the idea that because they do, the government will go after legalized marijuana dispensaries is wrong.

Most Americans dislike legalized heroin use, but no one in this thread other than you has brought that up, so solid work on that front I guess.
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11-07-2012 , 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
Thayer is working as a pollster nowadays?
Notsureifserious.jpg

Rasmussen is a famous polling company.
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11-07-2012 , 02:58 AM
This speech by Obama is historic.
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11-07-2012 , 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty
This speech by Obama is historic.
Yeah he's crushing this.
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