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04-24-2008 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy
I dunno why I find the term 'flopping' so funny I can't help it. I guess its because everytime I try to use it in a sentence it just sounds ridiculous.

PK is just weird to us, I mean no one here ever says PK, do you say FK for a free kick? Or CK for a corner kick? Would it sound weird to you if someone did? Its just not part of the lexicon at all. We normally say 'a pen' or in Ireland sometimes a 'Peano', dunno if English people would say that though I know the Scottish generally don't.
Yea but its a message board, abbreviations are our b&b.
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04-24-2008 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Franchise 60
Yea but its a message board, abbreviations are our b&b.
Was talking about when saying it out loud not typing on a Msg Board.
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04-24-2008 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy
Was talking about when saying it out loud not typing on a Msg Board.
So it isn't wrong to type PK in a sentence on a message board to brits?
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04-24-2008 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by AJW
Much more annoying then calling Football Soccer is Pluralizing Offside to make Offsides. I think its annoying when Americans use new terminology because we all know how many of you there are and that if you became really interested in football you would reinvent all the jargon in your own image and it would quickly become offsides, road games and PKs
I doubt that American terminology would go very far from America. Just reading this thread, I have learned that Ireland, Scottland, Engalnd, and Australia have different jargon. Why should America be any different?
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04-24-2008 , 07:27 PM
Id have no problem with the term flopping if it wasn't for the fact that the first few times I saw it was always in thread were a Gridiron fan ( I'm sure we got that term from you didn't you use it in the 80s? ) would interject with a post like "Soccer sucks they’re all a bunch of gay floppers".
Flopping does have the advantage of being more demeaning then diving conjuring up images of a fish out of water rather then an Olympic diver.
If you wanted to you could make a distinction between flopping and diving. Klinsman was a diver he was brazen, dramatic and unrepentant he through himself to the floor as soon as he saw an opportunity.
Ronaldo is a flopper he gets a small touch goes down in a little heap and then looks up doe eyed and expectantly at the ref.
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04-24-2008 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by sumpy
I doubt that American terminology would go very far from America. Just reading this thread, I have learned that Ireland, Scottland, Engalnd, and Australia have different jargon. Why should America be any different?
Sheer weight of numbers and dominance of the media. I have found my self at times using the American terms for things and have heard of people calling 911 in an emergency.
Any way complaining about Americanisms is a hobby in Britain the same way the French complain about English worlds entering their language.
Despite all the complaining we are very grateful for some of the useful words you have given us: Commuter, bedrock, striptease, gimmick, sag, lengthy, teenager, hangover, bucket, shop, scrawny and seafood to list a few. And there are many more words and phrases which lived on in the US but died out in Britain but have now been reintroduced. Check out Bill Bryson’s “Mother Tongue” if you’re interested.
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04-24-2008 , 09:24 PM
my favorite "English" word is dodgey. Other terms often used in conjunction with soccer: rash, classy, challenge, punter.

I also like how you guys pronounce schedule, shhhhedule.
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04-24-2008 , 09:35 PM
I was very confused the first time I heard of a 'fixture'. (I'm still not sure, but as far as I can tell, it is just another word for match).
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04-25-2008 , 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by sumpy
But for some reason 'bad call' is not acceptable?
i dont think thats a problem but it's always best when its said with an american accent. Im thinking of joe morgan and the MNF commentators.
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04-25-2008 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Franchise 60
So it isn't wrong to type PK in a sentence on a message board to brits?
ppl are just ******ed if they've got a problem with that, its an abb. ffs.
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04-25-2008 , 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by raju
Quite a few teams seem to go up and then up again. Hereford look likely to do it this season but theres been loads.

I think better than mid table Ledders
we've got a very good manager in gary waddock but our ground is a total mess so we're having to spend a lot of mnoney this summer getting it to league standard which makes me think we wont have any money for higher wages and stuff.

some teams seem to flourish once promoted and i hope its the same next season, although i'll definitely take where dag&r'bridge are atm in lower mid-table.
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04-25-2008 , 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by raju
I think it bugs people because its always been called football and then the Americans invent a new game which they call football and they start calling football soccer.

It is a bit insulting to the rest of the world. Its like calling Paris Madrid.
except for the oldest current british football mag being called "world soccer". but, lets not point out facts now
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04-25-2008 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by sumpy
But for some reason 'bad call' is not acceptable?
No-one says the ref makes a bad call, it's a bad decision.

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Originally Posted by Franchise 60
Yea but its a message board, abbreviations are our b&b.
FYI Franchise, "pen" is an abbreviation of penalty, so why abbreviate it further. "Pen" is the term for a penalty.

PK is the term (one of many) only ever used in "Boston Goals", a spoof sketch that used to be on weekly in the UK making fun of the ignorance of Americans with regards to football.

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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
some of you guys are nits. Whats the big deal as long as we all know what each other is referring to?
Because 1. We don't reciprocate in NFL or baseball threads by introducing football terms to your sports (or presumably NHL or NBA in which I have no interest) & 2. Because it's annoying as ****.

I think I said this in the EPL thread so apologies for repeating, but shall we start calling touchdowns goals? When there's a flag on a play, will we call it a PF? When the punter comes on, will we say it's time for a goalkeeper kick? When there's a running play, will we call it a scrum? When there's overtime, will we call it extra time? When there's a team are on the road, will we say they are away from home?

Last edited by fatshaft; 04-25-2008 at 04:43 AM.
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04-25-2008 , 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
my favorite "English" word is dodgey. Other terms often used in conjunction with soccer: rash, classy, challenge, punter.

I also like how you guys pronounce schedule, shhhhedule.
You don't use dodgy? (no e btw). Rash, like a rash challenge? Or a rash decision by the ref? You stay classy San Diego, I mean Zidane was world class. Challenge, I fail to see what your alternative to this is...

Punter well in fairness I know you guys don't use this but I can't believe that the rest are seen as colloquial in any way.

About the use of terms, I mean its just really really annoying. Like there is a lexicon in place why would you guys make up your own and think we would accept it?

As an Irishman also I obviously never complain about the use of the word soccer since I use it myself and so do my mates on occassion.

Here is Boston Goals which was referenced in the post above. Its hilarious.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjSKEc_pkf4
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04-25-2008 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by silentbob
The Olympic men's soccer tournament permits each team to bring three overage players. Don't be surprised if you see Landycakes, Gooch, and/or T. Howard playing in Beijing.
Guzan, McBride, and Beas imo.

Also, rumor has it that Landon is seriously considering opening himself up to the transfer market this summer/winter in another attempt to play in Europe. That could be very interesting.
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04-25-2008 , 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by mmbt0ne
Guzan, McBride, and Beas imo.

Also, rumor has it that Landon is seriously considering opening himself up to the transfer market this summer/winter in another attempt to play in Europe. That could be very interesting.
This old rule is no longer in place. There will be no overagers in Beijing.
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04-25-2008 , 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by mmbt0ne
Guzan, McBride, and Beas imo.

Also, rumor has it that Landon is seriously considering opening himself up to the transfer market this summer/winter in another attempt to play in Europe. That could be very hilarious.
fyp
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04-25-2008 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by fatshaft
No-one says the ref makes a bad call, it's a bad decision.

FYI Franchise, "pen" is an abbreviation of penalty, so why abbreviate it further. "Pen" is the term for a penalty.

PK is the term (one of many) only ever used in "Boston Goals", a spoof sketch that used to be on weekly in the UK making fun of the ignorance of Americans with regards to football.


Because 1. We don't reciprocate in NFL or baseball threads by introducing football terms to your sports (or presumably NHL or NBA in which I have no interest) & 2. Because it's annoying as ****.

I think I said this in the EPL thread so apologies for repeating, but shall we start calling touchdowns goals? When there's a flag on a play, will we call it a PF? When the punter comes on, will we say it's time for a goalkeeper kick? When there's a running play, will we call it a scrum? When there's overtime, will we call it extra time? When there's a team are on the road, will we say they are away from home?
The touchdown and the punt ones are not correct and not similar anyway, everything else is fairly similar, and I wouldn't get all uptight about an Englishmen saying them.

For example, away from home and road game seem like the exact same thing. A flag and a personal foul, while not the same thing exactly, is close enough definition. It is a foul. Overtime and extra time are one in the same. Just like a penalty or a penalty kick. Or is a corner just a corner and a goal kick a goal?

Scrum is obviously a rugby term, but I know what it means, and if you said it while watching football I would assume you watch rugby and are just calling it the same thing.
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04-25-2008 , 11:02 AM
I really don't get this at all.

People like soccer because its free flowing and less rigid then most sports. However, the terms are apparently more rigid, wtf.
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04-25-2008 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy
This old rule is no longer in place. There will be no overagers in Beijing.
FIFA says otherwise. See page 15 of the tournament regulations. Regarding the men's competition:

"All players participating in the preliminary and final competition of the Tournament shall be born on or after 1 January 1985. However, a maximum of three male players who do not meet this age limit may also be included in the official list of players for the final competition."
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04-25-2008 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mmbt0ne
Guzan, McBride, and Beas imo.

Also, rumor has it that Landon is seriously considering opening himself up to the transfer market this summer/winter in another attempt to play in Europe. That could be very interesting.

he should've done this a while ago
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04-25-2008 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by silentbob
FIFA says otherwise. See page 15 of the tournament regulations. Regarding the men's competition:

"All players participating in the preliminary and final competition of the Tournament shall be born on or after 1 January 1985. However, a maximum of three male players who do not meet this age limit may also be included in the official list of players for the final competition."
I am almost 100% certain that after the last olympics the rule was abolished and I even remember reading articles about it.

here is the only story I could find on Google:

Story

Guess it never happened.
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04-25-2008 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by fatshaft
PK is the term (one of many) only ever used in "Boston Goals", a spoof sketch that used to be on weekly in the UK making fun of the ignorance of Americans with regards to football.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6l4lT00Pgs

I had never heard of this, so I youtubed it. From what I can tell, most of the jokes went right over my head (like your complaints which I still can't believe anyone cares about). I did notice that they said the a player who was red carded was "rejected". We would never say that. We would say he was "ejected".

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Because 1. We don't reciprocate in NFL or baseball threads by introducing football terms to your sports (or presumably NHL or NBA in which I have no interest) & 2. Because it's annoying as ****.

I think I said this in the EPL thread so apologies for repeating, but shall we start calling touchdowns goals? When there's a flag on a play, will we call it a PF? When the punter comes on, will we say it's time for a goalkeeper kick? When there's a running play, will we call it a scrum? When there's overtime, will we call it extra time? When there's a team are on the road, will we say they are away from home?

I wouldn't care if you did any of these. Most of them would sound wierd, but you can talk however you want. As for "away from home" I wouldn't think twice if you said that. It sounds perfectly natural to me, and I am very supprised that "on the road" sounds so strange to you.
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04-25-2008 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy
About the use of terms, I mean its just really really annoying. Like there is a lexicon in place why would you guys make up your own and think we would accept it?
I don't think anyone over here care weather you accept it or not. To us Americans, this is a non-issue. As I am sure you are aware, there are different terms used in Ireland, England, and Scottland. Why would you think america would be any different?
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04-25-2008 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by silentbob
FIFA says otherwise. See page 15 of the tournament regulations. Regarding the men's competition:

"All players participating in the preliminary and final competition of the Tournament shall be born on or after 1 January 1985. However, a maximum of three male players who do not meet this age limit may also be included in the official list of players for the final competition."
Why do they do this. Do they have a U-23 world cup? (they should)
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