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04-24-2008 , 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Franchise 60
None of this kind of stuff bothers US fans even a percentage as much as it bothers soccer fans.

Some people get annoyed, but Europeans act like you smacked their mother. Its really quite funny.
Brilliant. Yeah its pretty funny the reaction it gets.

Its indisputably true that it was an Englishman who coined the term soccer but he was instantly found and instantly killed and the word was never used on these shores again.

However the Aussies and the Americans picked it up and ran with it.

Last edited by raju; 04-24-2008 at 04:57 AM. Reason: is it ok to laugh at your own jokes?
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04-24-2008 , 05:09 AM
I laugh at my own jokes all the time. Someone has to amirite?!!?

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04-24-2008 , 05:25 AM
When do you guys usually start a transfer window thread?
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04-24-2008 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by GeraldGiraffe
I've grunched this thread to an extent. On the Italian artist player front, can't believe I haven't seen Gianfranco Zola mentioned.

Also leads on to a question inspired by an article from Four Four Two; who is/was the best foreign player to grace the premiership? Article predictably went for Cantona, which is a decent pick, but it's Dennis Bergkamp for me, undoubtedly. Anyone else?
Bergkamp >>> Cantona >>>>>>>> anyone else.

Ask me in a few years and that'll probably change, ldo
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04-24-2008 , 08:24 AM
No love for Zola?

I'm not sure where I'd put him but Bergkamp, Cantona and Zola are definitely the three foreign players who've performed best in the PL over time.
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04-24-2008 , 08:28 AM
I'd probably have Zola in my top five somewhere but he's overrated imo
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04-24-2008 , 10:55 AM
Who else would be in there then?

I think I'd have to add Ginola but I can't decide who would be the fifth.
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04-24-2008 , 11:01 AM
Juan Sebastian Veron
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04-24-2008 , 11:23 AM
If you're talking most valuable, Schmeichel has to be in the top 5
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04-24-2008 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by TheRover
TSC, others-

Have you watched Queen of the South vs. Aberdeen, Scottish Cup match? Highly entertaining especially if you haven't seen the results going in.
Widely hailed as the best Scottish cup semi ever. Hard to argue, a beast of a game that I sadly travelled to see.
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04-24-2008 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Franchise 60
I'm not trying to make this a America is the Best type thing with this question, its just out of curiosity, but if Soccer was the #1 sport in the US, do you guys think the US would be the auto #1 country on the international stage?

I guess it would depend on how popular the other sports are, etc. But lets say that the MLS was the highest paid sports league in the world, and most great athletes were pushed to soccer growing up, would it still be close with say Argentina and Brazil since the best of the US wouldn't be greater than the best from other powers?

Pretty useless question I know, but i always wonder how good guys like A.I. and Randy Moss would be if they played soccer their whole lives.
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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty
Been discussed a ton over the years in this forum. You end up with two camps:

1. LDO, more money, better athletes = US dominates 4evah!
2. No way, not enough history, passion, and will never have the flair of the top footballers - how egotistical of you Americans to think that you'd dominate just because you set your mind to it.

Personally, I think it's somewhere in the middle.
They wouldn't be auto #1, even Brazil and Italy, arguably the most fanatical football countries in the world do not dominate international football to that extent, and in the case of Brazil, they don't even have a particularly strong domestic game due to the lack of money.

However we're assuming that football would be the #1 sport in the US for the purposes of your argument, so forget history as that's not the point, in which case I think you'd be pretty much up there continually with Brazil, Italy, Germany & Argentina.

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04-24-2008 , 11:39 AM
A bit shocked at people talking about Zola, Cantona, Bergkamp. The best foreigner to play in the prem is Thierry Henry, this isnt a matter of opinion, no one else even comes close.

He was top scorer 5 times out of 8 seasons, he scored 226 goals in his time here, he was 3 times player of the year, twice runner up in World Player Of the Year (& shouldve won at least once).

He was also top of the league for assists numerous times, and just generally on a different level to everyone in the PL between 2002-2006.
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04-24-2008 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
I think this might be the year Spain finally get that "underachiever" monkey off their back.

They have a sick sick squad:
--------------------- Casillas --------------------
Sergio Ramos --- Puyol --- Marchena --- Capdevilla
Iniesta ----- Xavi ------ Fabregas ----- David Silva
--------- David Villa ---- Fernando Torres ---------
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Pretty sure Spain will choke it yet again, but just looking at names they've got one sick team.
Just one time maybe? They probably look strongest on paper, although Itlay and France are the most likely.
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04-24-2008 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
I'd probably have Zola in my top five somewhere but he's overrated imo
Psh.
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04-24-2008 , 11:47 AM
Problem with spain is the team/squad has no unity. Spaniards hate Catalonians who hate Basques who hate Valencians who hate Andalucians who hate Spaniards etc etc etc

France have a very good shout as long as they play some of the younger talent (Benzema, Ben Arfa, Menez, Loic Perrin, Toulalan) - whenever the big game scome around they drop these guys for more experience.

Italy will no doubt be there

Croatia looked a decent bet, although losing Eduardo may have ended there chances.

Holland are my tip, they need to keep there players fit, cos Van Persie & Robben are so fragile. But in Sneider and Huntelaar aswell as the 2 mentioned they have a great attack, possibly they may blow it as they are very young compared to italy & france.
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04-24-2008 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by eighty6
its probably a rumor at best now, but that does bring up an interesting point. i wonder how they would address that
It's just bull**** spouted by the chief exec of Charlton yesterday as a solution to the repetitiveness & predicatability of the EPL.

Prior to that the Old Firm were trying to find a way into the EPL.

It'll never happen because turkeys don't vote for Xmas. Who drops out? 5 relegated? The OF won't want to work up from a lower league, and yet how can they not be made to do so?

It just won't happen because teams don't just choose where they want to play, they have to play in their national league. The Welsh clubs being an exception because the League of Wales is a modern invention.

It would however be incredibly interesting, as one or both would break into the top 4 in very short order.
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04-24-2008 , 11:49 AM
I'd put my money on Italy/Germany personally, good teams that always excel in big tournaments.
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04-24-2008 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Tanky
A bit shocked at people talking about Zola, Cantona, Bergkamp. The best foreigner to play in the prem is Thierry Henry, this isnt a matter of opinion, no one else even comes close.

He was top scorer 5 times out of 8 seasons, he scored 226 goals in his time here, he was 3 times player of the year, twice runner up in World Player Of the Year (& shouldve won at least once).

He was also top of the league for assists numerous times, and just generally on a different level to everyone in the PL between 2002-2006.
The best foreigner to play top flight in England was George Best, who may well be passed by Ronaldo.
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04-24-2008 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
Bergkamp >>> Cantona >>>>>>>> anyone else.


Thierry Henry combined pace, creativity, power and exquisite finishing to AVERAGE 21.75 league goals per season for Arsenal. He is the only player in the history of the EPL to hit for 20 or more in five consecutive seasons ( 24, 24, 30, 25, 27).

The Frenchman was also a terrific playmaker, laying on 23 assists in 2002-2003 and averaging over 9 assists a year for his Gunners career.

Henry was simply on a different level both physically and technically.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89zO6...eature=related
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04-24-2008 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by sumpy
I am an American, but I have heard of two.

Using a plural verb with the singulat city name. "Boston have a 3 game lead in the American league east."

Refering to a basketball game as a match. (I would guess this would be true for any sport, but I specifically heard it for basketball).

I think it is kind of funny how annoyed soccer fans get at this stuff.
sumpy, that's linguistic differences as opposed to sporting terminology being crossed over as in my post that raju quoted. We could go on all day about the differences between English English & American English.
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04-24-2008 , 12:09 PM
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Anytime someone refers to a "road game", "PK", "bad call", "soccer", "flopping"(wtf???), or any other US sport terminology in a football thread, then they get a one day ban. How about it?
Correct answers? No clue on "road game" (away game? dunno) or "bad call", which is alternatively used with horrid call, terrible call, horsebleep call, wtf is he thinking, rigged, fixed, so rigged, jesus he sucks, wtf is he blind, etc.

I prefer flopping to diving because its more insulting. Diving sounds like an olympic sport with skill. Flopping implies you are out there helplessly flailing like a fish out of water. More appropriately describes just distasteful it is.
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04-24-2008 , 12:28 PM
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Henry was simply on a different level both physically and technically.
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I agree he is better than Bergkamp and Cantona but it's not by much. Bergkamp's technical ability may have been slightly better.
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04-24-2008 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by mmbt0ne
As for the Olympics, I'm not expecting a good US showing. There are some big WCQ matches during that time period which good draw away any and all of the following: Jozy, Michael Bradley, Benny Feilhaber, Johnathan Spector. Not to mention it keeps the US from using any of their big names for the 3 over-23 players allowed.
Seriously?!? I doubt that any of the WCQs prior to the Hex will be particularly worrisome. My suspicion is that Bob can comfortably start fringe players against the various CONCACAF minnows.

I am headed to Beijing in August and have tickets for many of the men's and women's soccer matches. Not sure what to make of the U.S. draw (Netherlands, Nigeria and Japan). Though I seriously doubt that they will be facing the likes of Robben, Nakamura, Yakubu, or Ruud van Horseface.
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04-24-2008 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by silentbob
Seriously?!? I doubt that any of the WCQs prior to the Hex will be particularly worrisome. My suspicion is that Bob can comfortably start fringe players against the various CONCACAF minnows.

I am headed to Beijing in August and have tickets for many of the men's and women's soccer matches. Not sure what to make of the U.S. draw (Netherlands, Nigeria and Japan). Though I seriously doubt that they will be facing the likes of Robben, Nakamura, Yakubu, or Ruud van Horseface.
They won't be since its an U-23 competition.
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04-24-2008 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by GuyIncognito
American/gridiron football originated in the late 1800s as an offshoot of rugby football. It isn't that much younger than rugby or association football.

Australia and Ireland also have their own versions of football as well.

And Americans weren't the first people to call association football "soccer"; it was known as "soccer" very early on in order to distinguish it from rugby football. Seems to me that "soccer" is the most neutral term for the sport in an international context.

I certainly wouldn't be bent out of shape if people in Europe insisted on calling American football "gridiron"; it's just unlikely to happen because nobody outside of North America cares about it or ever has a reason to refer to it.
We call American football just that, very very rare to hear gridiron, if so, it's likely to be from someone who doesn't actually follow the game. NFL Wembley had 500,000 ticket applications last year by the way, and that was before the general public were made aware of it.
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